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Post by kaz on Sept 14, 2009 16:58:04 GMT -5
Episode 15 - Before and After Every patient's story starts the same way. It starts with them being fine. It starts in the "before". They cling to this moment, this memory of being fine, this "before", as though talking about it may somehow bring it back. But what they don't realise is that the fact that they're talking about it to us, their doctors, means there's no going back. By the time they see us, they're already in the "after". And while every patient's story starts the same way, how the story ends depends on us - on how well we diagnose and treat. We know the story hinges on us and we all want to be the hero.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 14, 2009 17:28:59 GMT -5
Yes Genius, I love the juxtaposition of romance and panic in that episode. Both make your heart race but to different ends. Yes, a perfect juxtaposition. I love to see characters torn by passion, angst, love and fear, one feeling after the other, leaving them without breath. I'm very cruel.....
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 14, 2009 17:46:23 GMT -5
In "Before and After" there is the "See Me Scene": the Owen existing before now is seen as a ghost, first of all by the same new Owen, who now lives in the after. Probably only he sees the man who he was like a ghost, because he feels the old Owen dead and because he cannot accept that the old Owen is alive when all his platoon is already dead. He is changed and he thinks that everyone who knew the old Owen could see that change only looking him. He thinks that they would not accept this man so changed and he should pretend to be who is no more. Now he lives in the after and he prefers to be seen by someone who didn't knew him before, so he'll be sure that what this person will see is a man who is still alive, the man who he is now, not a ghost, a shadow of himself.
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Post by kaz on Sept 15, 2009 2:39:00 GMT -5
Episode 16 - An Honest Mistake There's this thing that happens when people find out you're a doctor. They stop seeing you as a person and begin to see you as something bigger than you are. They have to see us that way, as gods, otherwise we're just like everyone else - unsure, flawed, normal. So we act strong. We remain stoic. We hide the fact that we're all too human. Patients see us as gods. Or they see us as monsters. But the fact is, we're just people. We screw up. We lose our way. Even the best of us have our off days. Still, we move forward. We don't rest on our laurels or celebrate the lives we've saved in the past. Because there's always some other patient that needs our help. So we force ourselves to keep trying, to keep learning, in the hope that maybe someday we'll come just a little bit closer to the gods our patients need us to be.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 15, 2009 6:43:04 GMT -5
Oh, yes, this the episode with the doctors mistakes, so the voiceover is very clear and tells us explicitly what will follow!
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Post by kaz on Sept 16, 2009 4:05:11 GMT -5
Yep, Genius, mistakes definitely seem to be a big theme throughout the season - especially the part about mistakes being how a person learns. Owen says it as soon as he arrives. Bailey says it in a later episode. And the season itself is filled with people making the wrong judgment call and getting things wrong.
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Post by kaz on Sept 16, 2009 4:05:39 GMT -5
Episode 17 - I Will Follow you into the Dark Every surgeon I know has a shadow, a dark cloud of fear and doubt that follows even the best of us into the OR. We pretend the shadow isn't there, hoping that if we save morelives, master harder tech, run faster and farther it'll get tired and give up the chase but like they say, you can't outrun your shadow. Every surgeon has a shadow. And the only way to get rid of a shadow, is to turn off the lights, to stop running from the darkness and face what you fear head on.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 16, 2009 5:19:25 GMT -5
Yes, you're right, the mistakes matter is almost in every episode.
In follow you into the dark, already the title tells us a lot. The two persons in the dark are Derek and Owen and who loves them decides to stay with them in the darkness until they'll manage to face the light. The problem is that the two persons in the darkness want to stay there, because they believe they don't deserve any light and anybody's help.
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Post by Leanne on Sept 16, 2009 5:44:38 GMT -5
not bad advice for anyone really ... some of these voice overs are really good... one wonders who comes up with them...
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Post by kaz on Sept 16, 2009 9:02:18 GMT -5
not bad advice for anyone really ... some of these voice overs are really good... one wonders who comes up with them... I think the writer/s of each episode writes the voiceover as well. Some are better than others.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 16, 2009 10:24:42 GMT -5
Yes, some of them are very poetic, but I guess that who writes the episode writes even the voiceover. So we could know that.
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Post by kaz on Sept 16, 2009 18:16:46 GMT -5
Episode 18 - Stand by Me Surgeons aren't known for being warm and cuddly. They're arrogant, impatient, mean as often as not. You'd think they wouldn't have friends 'cause who could stand them? But surgeons are like a bad cold - nasty but persistent. Surgeons. Nasty, aggressive, unstoppable. Just the kind of people you want on your side when you're really screwed. Practising medicine doen't lend itself well to the making of friends. Maybe because life and mortality are in our faces all the time. Maybe because in staring down death every day we're forced to know that life, every minute, is borrowed time. And each person we let ourselves care about is just one more loss somewhere down the line. For this reason, I know some doctors who just don't bother making friends at all. But the rest of us, we make it our job to move that line, to push each loss as far away as we can.
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Post by kaz on Sept 18, 2009 18:55:50 GMT -5
Episode 19 - Elevator Love Letter Surgeons are all messed up. We're butchers. Messed up, knife happy butchers. We cut people up, we move on. Patients die on our watch, we move on. We cause trauma, we suffer trauma. We don't have time to worry about what all the blood and death and crap really makes us feel. It doesn't matter how tough we are. Trauma always leaves a scar. It follows us home. It changes our lives. Trauma messes everybody up. But maybe that's the point. All the pain and the fear and the crap. Maybe going through all of that is what keeps us moving forward. It's what pushes us. Maybe we have to get a little messed up...before we can step up.
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Post by Leanne on Sept 19, 2009 2:09:30 GMT -5
I have the last few Voice overs that Kaz did and will add them over the next week while she is away
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 19, 2009 5:00:43 GMT -5
There's anything else to say. We know very well what happens to Owen and Cristina.
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Post by Leanne on Sept 21, 2009 16:41:49 GMT -5
Episode 20 - Sweet Surrender Defeat isn't an option. Not for surgeons. We don't back away from the table 'til the last breath's long gone. Terminal's a challenge. Life-threatening's what gets us out of bed in the morning. We're not easily intimidated. We don't flinch. We don't back down. And we certainly don't surrender. Not at work anyway. To do our jobs we have to believe defeat is not an option - that no matter how sick our patients get, there's hope for them. But even when our hopes give way to reality and we finally have to surrender to the truth it just means we've lost today's battle, not tomorrow's war. Here's the thing about surrender - once you do it, actually give in, you forget why you were even fighting in the first place.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 21, 2009 17:37:52 GMT -5
In ELEVATOR LOVE LETTER 5.19 it's Alex who is narrating. In 5.22 - What a difference a day makes, Izzie.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 21, 2009 17:48:18 GMT -5
Owen finally has to surrender to the truth that what he feels is shame. He feels to be culpable toward Cristina and toward his platoon for being enterd in their lives.... What will he feel about George's death?
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Post by Leanne on Sept 22, 2009 10:13:28 GMT -5
Episode 21 - No Good at Saying Sorry (One More Chance) Remember when we were little and we would accidentally bite a kid on the playground? Our teachers would go "say you're sorry". And we would say it, but we wouldn't mean it because the stupid kid we bit totally deserved it. But as we get older, making amends isn't so simple. After the playground days are over, you can't just say it. You have to mean it. Of course when you become a doctor, sorry isn't a happy word. It either means "you're dying and i can't help" or it means "this is really gonna hurt". As doctors, we can't undo our mistakes and we rarely forgive ourselves for them but it's a hazard of the trade. But as human beings, we can always try to do better, to be better, to right a wrong even when it feels irreversible. Of course "I'm sorry" doesn't always cut it. Maybe because we use it so many different ways - as a weapon, as an excuse. But when we are really sorry, when we use it right, when we mean it, when our actions say what words never can, when we get it right "I'm Sorry" is perfect. When we get it right, "I'm Sorry" is redemption.
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Post by ella1967 on Sept 23, 2009 3:41:10 GMT -5
Another one of my favorite VO's - sigh!
It's so interesting to me how they messed around with the concept of before and after in S.5. It starts with the patients in the SP whose lives were changed so drastically by the car accidents they were in...on through Owen's description of the complete demarcation in his life after the ambush...Cristina's seeming revelation that by being able to 'see' Owen she is also allowing herself to be seen by him...and finally Izzie's cancer and George's being lead to where he's needed.
Even though the perky Owen who spoke in disjointed three word sentences made no sense at first, eventually both he and Cristina found the redemption they desperately needed at the end of this episode.
My favorite lines from this VO: 'But when we are really sorry, when we use it right, when we mean it, when our actions say what words never can, when we get it right "I'm Sorry" is perfect. When we get it right, "I'm Sorry" is redemption.' - Ah, it's a thing of beauty!
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