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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 13, 2011 18:58:04 GMT -5
I think something will happen with a patient maybe Cristina will have a different outlook after and want to make it work. However I think if she was set on getting an abortion, she would not have even told Owen about the pregnancy. The fact that she told him about the baby is a good sign.
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Post by hopew on May 13, 2011 20:32:45 GMT -5
I think something will happen with a patient maybe Cristina will have a different outlook after and want to make it work. However I think if she was set on getting an abortion, she would not have even told Owen about the pregnancy. The fact that she told him about the baby is a good sign. Yes, I agree with you. Just the fact that Cristina is telling him about the pregnancy is growth on her part, AND an indication that she isn't completely sure about aborting the baby. She had to know at least in general how he would react. Telling him leaves the door open to continuing the pregnancy, or at least ups the stakes for the relationship if she goes ahead over his objections. I LOVE Owen's reaction in the new sneak peek - - he IMMEDIATELY gets how complicated it is for her, he reassures her that he knows who she is and loves her for herself not her reproductive potential, he goes right to the heart of what seems to be her issue, which is that having a child could interfere with her career. Wonderful!!! But what SHE said surprised me a bit. She said something like (this is not exactly correct, but it's close, I think): "I don't want to be the vessel carrying all that is good in the world - - I don't want to carry all your hopes for the future." She isn't talking about how the baby will interfere with her career - - she's talking about not feeling able to handle the responsibility of this new life and what it would mean to Owen. Maybe, as Ella has been saying all along, the issue is less about her becoming a cardio goddess and more about an underlying insecurity, maybe coming from losing her father and having such a terrible relationship with her own mother? I still have trouble believing that Shonda would have Cristina go through with an abortion. First, it would be a complete break in the pattern of having the C/O relationship be the reverse of the C/B relationship. Second, as ella and trinity mentioned above, we know that Shonda had already envisioned C and O raising a baby together, in the "curveball" scenario that got changed/postponed at the end of Season 5. Or maybe I just don't want to believe it because Cristina's termination of this pregnancy would be the only thing I can think of that could credibly destroy her relationship with Owen and I really, really don't want that to happen. IF Cristina is still pregnant at the end of the SF, even if she is still threatening to have an abortion, I will believe that the ultimate outcome will be good, if rocky and angsty. It's going to be a long six days!
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Post by ella1967 on May 14, 2011 1:14:06 GMT -5
So, I've watched that sneak peek more times than I should admit to since I got home from dinner tonight. But it sort of attached itself to an idle thought already pinging around in my brain. We have complained often this season about the changeability of Cristina's reactions, worrying that she's regressing and sliding back down the hill after displaying emotional growth we never thought our girl would experience. Not only is nonlinear growth realistic it's also unpredictable, and that's what they've wanted us to think Cristina is this season in order to keep us guessing about how she will handle situations. I was with Owen in expressing 'I kind of wasn't expecting that' when she turned to kiss him at the bar at the end of Thursday's episode. So too are we meant to see her being unpredictable here - both in a good way but also one that makes us quiver a bit in dread so as to keep us guessing until those life changing moments at the end of the finale. I'll get to a few things I love about this Cristina and Owen sneak peek but first off a quick compare and contrast. In S.6 we had a finale which started with dark and twisty Meredith happily announcing she's pregnant. Who does she tell? Not Derek. And in this season's finale we have Cristina finding out unexpectedly that she's pregnant and needing to get Owen alone in a room to tell him their news. The sneak peek in which Derek brings Meredith to Webber to spill what she did in the clinical trial shows Meredith repeatedly refusing to tell Derek, her attending and her husband, what she did. She simply maintains she's right and that she'd do it again. Yet in the sneak peek with Owen and Cristina she can't help but tell Owen she's pregnant. He's talking about ordering food and irrespective of nothing the words slip out of her mouth, as if unbidden. Cristina's tone is understated yet urgent, she can't keep it to herself, she must invite him into this perplexing situation with her. He is her teammate, her partner, the person who can help her solve this riddle. Sigh. Their posture and facial expressions, the way Owen talks to Cristina when she first skittishly steps away and says 'we're not doing this' reminds me so much of their talk in 7.5 (?) when he offered to let her kick his ass. She's in some ways distant and inside her own head here too but she's nodding as he talks quietly to her, inviting him in, listening to him, almost laughing just a bit as he talks about 'you think I love you more when you're miserable.' It's as if she's looking to him for an answer she already knows but isn't sure how to acknowledge. (Much better than 6.12 when she asked everyone but Owen all day whether she was indeed the woman who would trade the person she loves for the thing she loves.) It's almost as if she says no when she remembers to not because she necessarily feels it down to her bones. She's confused about what to do, no question, because they are a partnership and she knows how Owen feels before she even tells him. And even as it saddens me that Owen has to hide his joy here, he's smart enough and connected enough with Cristina to know that if he smiles broadly and hugs her and talks about how happy he is she'll run away. So instead he approaches her sweetly, with humor, lets her know he loves her 'not the incubating potential of your womb.' Undoubtedly that Cristina tells Owen is a big step and indicator of how uncertain she is about what to do which means an abortion is not the only option she can or wants to see. Given this sneak peek I wonder if there's a possibility we could see Owen get this hot and cold message from Cristina all day but, as has been mentioned by others, her mind will shift through some heavy anvils and she might just surprise us all by the end of this episode by saying she wants to have this baby. Heck, I've got to earn my positivity tiara somehow.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 14, 2011 10:59:50 GMT -5
I agree Ella she does look like she's on the verge of smiling when he's talking about if she thinks he loves her more when shes miserable, etc. But if you also notice in the beginning, Owen is trying to hold back all the jubilation he must be having at the idea of the baby, trying to be sensitive to Cristina's rate of processing this information. He's trying not to come on strong but also trying to be supportive to a wife that is having a major freak out.
I agree with Hope too that Cristina's statements about responsibility on her shoulders of what others will expect of her is kind of sad, because I think it was basically her way of saying how she has been failing at everything, and the last thing she needs is something else to fail at especially while she's failing at her career (at least she seems to think she's failing). Also i noticed too whenever Owen made a move to touch her stomach she kind of jumped back, as if she was still in denial about it, and didn't want to start giving way to identifying as something else. Kind of like when she was in the hospital after her last pregnancy, and she didn't want to be touched but all she needed was to be in Burke's arms.
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Post by ella1967 on May 14, 2011 11:34:15 GMT -5
I agree Ella she does look like she's on the verge of smiling when he's talking about if she thinks he loves her more when shes miserable, etc. But if you also notice in the beginning, Owen is trying to hold back all the jubilation he must be having at the idea of the baby, trying to be sensitive to Cristina's rate of processing this information. He's trying not to come on strong but also trying to be supportive to a wife that is having a major freak out. I agree with Hope too that Cristina's statements about responsibility on her shoulders of what others will expect of her is kind of sad, because I think it was basically her way of saying how she has been failing at everything, and the last thing she needs is something else to fail at especially while she's failing at her career (at least she seems to think she's failing). Also i noticed too whenever Owen made a move to touch her stomach she kind of jumped back, as if she was still in denial about it, and didn't want to start giving way to identifying as something else. Kind of like when she was in the hospital after her last pregnancy, and she didn't want to be touched but all she needed was to be in Burke's arms. Have just watched that darned sneak peek again. It's addicting! I do think this is a season of shifting perception of self and identity for Cristina. She's been trying to figure out who she is and not feeling entirely comfortable in that process. And mother is one role she never pictured herself taking on - whether it's an aversion to babies, career drive, fears about her capacity to be strong enough to raise a child, I'm not sure. But I love that we'll be getting more about that in upcoming episodes. There are so many favorite moments in this scene but today's is how at the end when Cristina's traveled through so many emotions in just over a minute and says 'I don't want a baby' Owen simply looks at her and says 'well you have one.' And then Cristina's expression shifts just slightly, as if to say 'I get it' or maybe a little bit of 'oh crap' too. This will undoubtedly be a hard situation for them to work through but I don't doubt they will do so because this is really the culmination of how these two characters have always brought each other back to center throughout all the drama they have faced. Okay - and one more favorite moment. When Owen reaches out for Cristina's hip she pulls back she doesn't say 'there's no way I'm doing this' she says 'there's no way WE're doing this.' Even in freak out mode she gets the partnership factor in this situation.
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Post by MstrColm on May 14, 2011 17:16:47 GMT -5
I am 100% against abortion unless its a teenager or person with little prospects in life - in this case the baby has two living fully capable parents - so if she has an abortion and it is behind Owen's back or against his wishes - its down to her. For a surgeon its pretty screwed to have that little respect for life and to be honest I don't think it would be well if abc/shonda were to promote abortion anyway.
I am convinced that a break up is coming - I have learnt to expect disappointment so thats exactly what Im gonna do - I think when we come back to Season 8 Owen will be raising this child on his own with as much minimal screen time as possible - God I hate this show - Im so glad I stopped watching it and did the YT vids instead
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 14, 2011 20:50:46 GMT -5
To be honest, I think because the show is at 9pm they won't be able to do an in depth s/l about a character getting an abortion. Private Practice is on at 10pm here and I think because of that time slot they get to explore more controversial issues like abortion, etc. in depth while GA basically has to just touch on the subject without going through with it or mentioning it in passing.
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Post by katleehow on May 15, 2011 1:00:12 GMT -5
Wow...that sneak is breaking my heart already. Watching that clip, the last episode and clips with M/D, I am so confused on why Shonda continues to not use these talented actors and couples with their palpable chemistry. Why have their storylines been rushed and fit into two-three episodes? I just don't get it. They along with Alex should have been the focus all year.
The acting by SO and KMK is incredible in that brief scene. You can feel all the emotions that they are both going through. The way that Cristina can't hold in that she's pregnant and Owen's surprise then the way he says Cristina and gives her that I love you more than anything look as he looks at her belly then face like the most amazing thing in the world has just happened to them. There is something so gut wrenching when Owen is talking to her in his softened tone and Cristina has those tears in her eyes. Love how they can act their hearts out when they have the chance to have real scenes together.
I too wonder why they have Cristina tell Owen she's pregnant if she was so sure about an abortion. I would think she would just do it and either not tell him or confess later when it was too late. Of course, Owen is going to fight for their baby's life and Cristina knows that.
With the comments from SR and KMK, I also hope the cliffhanger is whether Cristina decides to have their baby NOT will they stay together if Cristina has an abortion without Owen agreeing. I know these characters are flawed and will make mistakes. But Cristina choosing to do that w/o Owen knowing would be the end of them and probably many fans wanting to watch the show in season 8.
I am guessing that Cristina might find out she's pregnant when she goes to work in the blood bank. How much time has passed since the bar scene...is it the next day? I am a bit sad that we don't see them talk in their vent anymore. Guess that set might have been let go for their firehouse.
Hope we have some good things to discuss after the finale that will have us excited about season 8 for Cristina/Owen...
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Post by ella1967 on May 15, 2011 5:49:05 GMT -5
I am guessing that Cristina might find out she's pregnant when she goes to work in the blood bank. How much time has passed since the bar scene...is it the next day? I am a bit sad that we don't see them talk in their vent anymore. Guess that set might have been let go for their firehouse. I was wondering about that too. She sets up a blood drive or something and she can't believe the results so she makes Lucy do an ultrasound. Oh, and I was thinking one thing last night. A benefit to S.6 was that Owen got to see Cristina as a surgery hungry animal. He learned about that side of her and we saw that he gets it, understands it about her, finds it sexy even. And it's that knowledge of her which is why he was choosing CR - to get us to that conference room scene in 7.21 - and allows him to step into what he thinks her issues with having a baby would be. Along the lines of your comment about how much chemistry KMK and SO exhibit in this scene - well, I have to believe the show runners know that too considering they wrote this scene in which Owen and Cristina so obviously get each other and are looking for answers within each other. I always felt the workplace stuff was a feint for their personal storyline about singular and shared vision coming back to the forefront and that, at the same time, it allowed them to deal with the sorts of issues which would be the foundation adapting to a pregnancy would require. And also that we were being fed so heavily this idea of them being in conflict both because the big, we matter, kind of conflict would come up again this season and that they would survive it from the previous work they did. I mean, Kevin did talk about how they 'need trouble for the story' but I doubt this show wants as much trouble as Cristina terminating this pregnancy would stir up.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 16, 2011 23:45:04 GMT -5
So Cristina likely finds out she's pregnant when working the blood bank I alsO wonder if April finds out she has HIV since she worked on that patient without gloves on
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 17, 2011 3:50:16 GMT -5
Hi, new to the forum but a huge fan of Cristina and Owen- the best couple, best chemistry on the show.
Reading some of the posts, I agree that I don't believe she will abort her husbands baby. I think the scene in the firehouse will be her finally telling
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 17, 2011 3:54:14 GMT -5
Him about her miscarriage and admitting that she is scared to be a mother, as everyone tells her she will be terrible at it!
I think we will see them come together on this and the anvil "I have grown up as much as I plan to and I don't come around" will be turned on it's head. They will have this baby. She is looking for his reassurance as she has all season, this is the guy she can't breathe without, she knows what he wants, she told him about baby so she hasn't closed the door on it.
Keep the faith! Season 8 will be a comedy/angst filled pregnancy, birth and some hot daddy Owen moments! ( I hope!)
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Post by ella1967 on May 17, 2011 9:12:29 GMT -5
Him about her miscarriage and admitting that she is scared to be a mother, as everyone tells her she will be terrible at it! I think we will see them come together on this and the anvil "I have grown up as much as I plan to and I don't come around" will be turned on it's head. They will have this baby. She is looking for his reassurance as she has all season, this is the guy she can't breathe without, she knows what he wants, she told him about baby so she hasn't closed the door on it. Keep the faith! Season 8 will be a comedy/angst filled pregnancy, birth and some hot daddy Owen moments! ( I hope!) Welcome Hannah! Thanks for posting and thanks for making me even more excited for this SF. The idea of that anvil being what is turned on its head for Cristina in this episode is lovely. I do think we are meant to have hope that Cristina steps into this role which she least envisioned for herself - mother, alongside also being a wife and how to be excellent at those roles. I think it will fit well alongside having figured out that the way to be excellent as a surgeon, about which we never had any doubts she would be, isn't to be CR after all. That inner voice is what Owen has always been able to turn off for Cristina, that voice in her head that used to tell her who she is and what she's capable of, that limiting voice no longer guides who she is except when she gets scared, i.e. a positive pregnancy test. Owen has always been able to broaden her perspective on herself, i.e. 'you were patient and you were kind and you stayed through it all...because you love me, you love me.' This idea of telling him about her miscarriage would also be new emotional territory for her, stepping into voicing exactly what she has gained by choosing her marriage throughout this season, sharing with him what she needs and feels. Nice. I'm still up in the air about what happens for Meredith in this episode. Does she tell what she did with the trial? Does she hit a rough patch with Derek and it all impacts her taking Zola home? (Couldn't really tell in the promo if she's simply carrying blankets or actually has Zola in her arms as she opens the door on Alex' now empty room.) And the interesting thing for Alex is that I was thinking all season they were leading him toward CR because of the emphasis on his professional stepping up. But it likely will be April - because of her protocol adherence (ironically after the way she was fired for not adhering to protocol...showing them all learning.) But now I think it'll be like it was for Cristina (and maybe for Meredith too) that not getting CR will be the exact gift he needs. He may very well go to Africa to pursue this dream he pulled out of his butt, this dream that actually shows him who he is and what he wants, and be also doing it alongside Lucy. (Certainly if her show gets picked up he'll be back in the fall without her.)
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 17, 2011 9:30:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome! Great to chat about this amazing couple!
I think that by opening up and telling Owen about the miscarriage of a baby she didn't think she wanted and how it affected her will be the key to unlocking it all. By releasing her feelings on it out loud and getting the support from the man who adores her will lighten her and allow her to put down some of the baggage she associates with being a mother and step onto parenthood with Owen.
I look forward to having some fun, light pregnancy/birth scenes. KMK and SO can also play comedy so well, which will be lovely to see!
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Post by Leanne on May 17, 2011 10:18:44 GMT -5
Hi hannahadsmith welcome to the forum I so feel the same way ... I didn't see the Original abortion epi but I believe she didn't tell Burke so yes that's a positive that she did tell Owen I think we are going to hear she is Pregg's and then we will be left with the decision hanging over the hiatus only to find out what will happen in the Season 8 Kevin in all his chats to us has always spoken positively about an O/C pregnancy and on many occasions mentioned how much fun and humorous it could be ( I feel it in my bones that she will have the baby and it will be fun and humorous) just hopefully we get a whole lot of O/C in season 8 this season was a bit thin on our fav couple
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Post by trinity on May 17, 2011 10:24:34 GMT -5
So Cristina likely finds out she's pregnant when working the blood bank I alsO wonder if April finds out she has HIV since she worked on that patient without gloves on The way the showed it, normally there would be extremely low chances of April getting HIV, but as it's Shondaland, so they might go there. April didn't have any cuts or lesions so the patient's blood would get in contact with those.... And she'd have to take the test 3 times to be sure if she's infected.. last test at 6 months apart.
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Post by ella1967 on May 17, 2011 14:20:40 GMT -5
So Cristina likely finds out she's pregnant when working the blood bank I alsO wonder if April finds out she has HIV since she worked on that patient without gloves on The way the showed it, normally there would be extremely low chances of April getting HIV, but as it's Shondaland, so they might go there. April didn't have any cuts or lesions so the patient's blood would get in contact with those.... And she'd have to take the test 3 times to be sure if she's infected.. last test at 6 months apart. Maybe they'll be asked that series of questions one often has to answer before they donate blood about exposures to things or health conditions and April will realize she was exposed to HIV rather than it being confirmed?
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Post by COForever on May 17, 2011 18:24:11 GMT -5
Ughhhhhhh! How do I post something so spoilery even for the Spoiler discusstion thread??? Seriously, there are going to be a lot of unhappy CO fans and I think we will all be in tears in the finale (even fans like me that never cry)! I guess all anyone has to do if they don't mind being REALLY spoiled is go to twitter and they will know what I am talking about.
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Post by COForever on May 17, 2011 19:03:16 GMT -5
I wish you were right, but the source is VERY RELIABLE. That is why I am so nauseous because where is the growth, seriously.
Even though they break up, she is still pregnant at the end of the SF but she has an abortion appt. set. So maybe just maybe she changes her mind, because honestly I don't see any way back from that.
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Post by ella1967 on May 17, 2011 19:18:01 GMT -5
I wish you were right, but the source is VERY RELIABLE. That is why I am so nauseous because where is the growth, seriously. Even though they break up, she is still pregnant at the end of the SF but she has an abortion appt. set. So maybe just maybe she changes her mind, because honestly I don't see any way back from that. Well, if she's still pregnant we know there's a way back. Same goes if Meredith has Zola with her - there's a way back for that pairing too. Just what I want - soulmates Cristina and Meredith consoling each other and supporting each other back to their marriages? Urp.
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