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Post by MarryMeOwen on Oct 31, 2010 16:17:42 GMT -5
Sadly I think that when Cristina makes it back to surgery, she's going to have a riff with Meredith, this is me just judging buy last week's ep when they interviewed Cristina and Meredith together and Cristina's body language said volumes. Meredith in a way is holding Cristina's progress back because she is still kind of removed from the shooting and doesn't get the impact that it had on Cristina who was holding Derek's heart in her hands with a gun to her head. She just doesn't seem to get why Cristina can't accept that she's a hero and move on. Its like Meredith has her on a pedestal and Cristina is realizing she can't live up to it anymore. Owen gets Cristina more than Meredith at this point.
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Post by ella1967 on Oct 31, 2010 16:25:54 GMT -5
Sadly I think that when Cristina makes it back to surgery, she's going to have a riff with Meredith, this is me just judging buy last week's ep when they interviewed Cristina and Meredith together and Cristina's body language said volumes. Meredith in a way is holding Cristina's progress back because she is still kind of removed from the shooting and doesn't get the impact that it had on Cristina who was holding Derek's heart in her hands with a gun to her head. She just doesn't seem to get why Cristina can't accept that she's a hero and move on. Its like Meredith has her on a pedestal and Cristina is realizing she can't live up to it anymore. Owen gets Cristina more than Meredith at this point. Exactly and this rift will need to happen for them to move on. I understand Meredith being grateful, but the weight of that day on Cristina will have to be discussed between these two friends for their friendship to get past it. And it will also be a part of each of them growing into adult women with husbands and lives a bit outside of each other's pockets while, at the same time, taking their friendship in a more mature direction. I'd hate for them to stay Elliot and ET forever. And praise whatever deity you want to choose for the second part of the underlined sentence above. As is often the case, my friend, you took the words right out of my brain. Owen's been there, done that in terms of what Cristina experienced in that OR and he understands the personal outcome of being a hero. He gets why Cristina can't embrace the work she did in that room because of the emotional toll it took on her. It's why he's so able to be her rock, especially as she negotiates finally dealing with that emotional fallout. Lovely, just lovely.
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Post by kaz on Oct 31, 2010 18:15:21 GMT -5
Don't apologise for long-winded answers! I'm posing the question to hear everyone's thoughts and generate some discussion.
I, too, think it's too soon for Cristina to be "back" in the next few episodes (to the extent that she can ever really be back to who she was). But it seems like this is a major episode so I expect some significant forward movement.
I'm interested to see what's going on with Avery, and I don't mind if they link Cristina and Avery together in some way given that they were both in that OR together and without the other one there, neither would have been able to succeed. Cristina did the kickass surgery but Avery's quick thinking (after Owen had distracted the shooter and gotten shot himself) saved any more people from getting shot.
I really don't think they're going to turn that connection into something romantic though or have Cristina doubting her marriage. She had that crisis of faith quite early on and now (at least for me so far) it seems that the thing she is most sure about is her relationship with Owen.
I think there are some troubled seas ahead for Meredith and Cristina, and they will need to address what happened on that day as well as the after effects, but for me Owen and Cristina are solid and he will continue to be there for her to help her work through this.
I love the idea of Cristina being the doctor out in the field in episode 7.11. I hope it plays out that way.
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Post by ella1967 on Nov 1, 2010 8:08:47 GMT -5
I think there are some troubled seas ahead for Meredith and Cristina, and they will need to address what happened on that day as well as the after effects, but for me Owen and Cristina are solid and he will continue to be there for her to help her work through this. I'm with you Kaz, in that in my heart of hearts I believe Owen and Cristina are solid too. He will be there 'through it all' and help her through the continuing crisis as she begins to face what happened to them in that OR. I also believe he will applaud and support her as she finds her game face again when it comes to work. Cristina being Cristina will feel she has time to make up for at work and roll up her sleeves and get back to it once she feels she can. I don't foresee friction with Owen because he knows what work means to her, hence his attempts to get her back into surgery in 7.2, yet I do think it will take a bit of time for Cristina to learn how to balance that resurfacing career and her marriage...hence Sandra's comments about Cristina continuing to choose her marriage. (And Kevin's comment about how 'Owen and Cristina are together...that won't change...but it will be a rough road because Cristina's all over the place right now.) Learning curve, it's all about learning curve. When it comes to Cristina and Meredith's friendship - I think some of it will go back to Meredith's initial struggle to get that Cristina needs there to be a 'me and Owen' all the way through what happened in that OR. Growing pains for those two ladies, but I have no doubt they'll get through it. Part of it, I suspect, is the dichotomy of Meredith's former belief that you don't take care of Cristina and that Owen has known to do just that to help her, paired with Meredith's obvious gratitude and differing perspective on a day that almost broke Cristina's spirit.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Nov 1, 2010 14:52:12 GMT -5
Why did they make such a big deal about this other grant when AZ and Derek end up getting grants anyway? It makes no sense. Kind of takes away the effect of the million dollar one anyway.
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Post by ella1967 on Nov 1, 2010 14:56:29 GMT -5
Why did they make such a big deal about this other grant when AZ and Derek end up getting grants anyway? It makes no sense. Kind of takes away the effect of the million dollar one anyway. And it also irks me that all the attendings are decent human beings enough to take Derek out for drinks to celebrate his grant yet Owen got the stinkeye from each and every one of them. Let the speculation begin as to who they find at the bar when they get there - Arizona back from Africa?
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Post by betinad on Nov 1, 2010 15:15:39 GMT -5
And it also irks me that all the attendings are decent human beings enough to take Derek out for drinks to celebrate his grant yet Owen got the stinkeye from each and every one of them. Glad that I am not the only one that felt that when reading it. I am still really angry at the treatment the attending gave to Owen when he won the contest. He didnt deserve that. Cant wait for this week training ... something is telling me he will not make so many friends amongst residents either , heheheh
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Nov 1, 2010 16:18:13 GMT -5
Yah I dont know why they made such a dramatic reaction to Owen winning the grant, he is always the bigger person it seems. That episode kind of made me realize we have too many attendings I sort of miss when it was just a few of them. I think it will be The Chief at the bar, he's the one that has the alcohol issues.
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Post by katleehow on Nov 1, 2010 16:40:29 GMT -5
I have read that some are thinking it is Cristina at the bar when the attendings and Owen find her there. Cristina is not mentioned with Meredith and Alex being at the hospital which doesn't mean too much because neither are Jackson or April.
I am thinking it might be too because didn't Kevin mention in an interview that he would have to get her back which I hoped meant to the hospital/surgery. He also said it would come to a head in the epi before where Cris is having the party. Maybe she has a breakdown in 8 which leads to her drunk and lost at Joe's when Owen and Derek find her there in epi 9. They help her and then she starts coming back in epi 10/11. Isn't she supposed to be helping Derek with the trial?
I like the idea of friendship conflict like in season 5. I would rather have the twisted sisters committed to their spouses and have a bit of angst with each other because you know it won't last long and no cheating possible there. If the baby storyline ever does come up again, I was wondering what would happen if Cristina became pregnant before Meredith. Would that create conflict too for the soulmates?
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Post by blackorchid on Nov 1, 2010 16:42:06 GMT -5
Sides for that episode said something about a woman being flirted with in the bar and her boyfriend not being happy about it. Could that be Cristina? Kevin said she would be all over the place.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Nov 1, 2010 16:59:27 GMT -5
I could see it being Cristina at the bar, esp since she isn't mentioned in the summary, they might want to keep it a twist or something.
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Post by ella1967 on Nov 1, 2010 20:56:28 GMT -5
I could see it being Cristina at the bar, esp since she isn't mentioned in the summary, they might want to keep it a twist or something. Given the promo photos for 7.9 I'm going to guess it is Cristina who's already drinking at the bar when the attendings show up. However, just like the impassioned Owen photos from 7.2 which showed him looking very overwrought in Meredith's living room were much ado about nothing, I suspect his grave look in a couple of the 7.9 photos will have more to do with how worried he is about Cristina's continued downward spiral than anything truly amiss in their relationship. Besides, everyone else seems to be yucking it up at the bar which would seem odd if he and Cristina have split or she's on someone else's arm at the bar.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Nov 1, 2010 21:13:14 GMT -5
Seems like Teddy is at the bar though, maybe she's there with Teddy and he sees them who knows
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Post by blackorchid on Nov 1, 2010 21:37:19 GMT -5
Teddy is with the attendings night out. She may have just gone up to order a drink.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Nov 1, 2010 21:47:48 GMT -5
I don't care enough to obsess over Teddy's whereabouts, just sayin' it seems odd Cristina's not mentioned at all in the summary, or featured in the promo shots. Something Cristina-related is gonna go down at the bar, or maybe it will just be another filler episode.
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Post by ella1967 on Nov 1, 2010 22:02:42 GMT -5
Yes, something Cristina-related is going to happen at the bar. It'll likely be a flashback of behavior back to her showing Joe her dollar store purchases and getting tipsy while they treated Meredith after she was pulled out of the water after the ferryboat accident in, what, S.2? Or was it S.3?
It seems, from the latest promo anyway, that Cristina's edges are more than fraying and she's going to start acting out - building on the allusion of tension between herself and Meredith in 7.6 right on into 7.7 over Roy's case. Then we'll see her throw herself into decorating the firehouse and a housewarming party in 7.8, an episode in which we'll likely see Cristina also hit the wall emotionally.
So by 7.9 she's going to be primed for something to really fall apart, especially if she's pushing Meredith away and still feeling unable to face walking into an OR, hence drinking her troubles away. I don't think she'll go to Joe's looking for attention but I bet a guy seeing a hot woman drinking by herself at the bar will take the opportunity to flirt with her. And in will step Owen to take her home, IMO. I suspect Owen's concerned expression will have more to do with how much he hurts because she's so obviously hurting rather than that Cristina has walked away from their marriage, also that, as MarrymeOwen pointed out above, he knows where she is right now from his own postwar experience. He knows she's flailing, trying to figure out how to move forward. He's been there and will be by her side to help her figure it out.
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Post by blackorchid on Nov 1, 2010 22:15:36 GMT -5
I don't care enough to obsess over Teddy's whereabouts, just sayin' it seems odd Cristina's not mentioned at all in the summary, or featured in the promo shots. Something Cristina-related is gonna go down at the bar, or maybe it will just be another filler episode. I don't obsess about Teddy's whereabouts just pointing out an attendings night out would include her as she's an attending. Kevin said things will come to a head and if there is a big turning point with Cris this episode they would keep it underwraps and not reveal it in the pics. This is also the last episode before Thanksgiving and could be the last episodes till Spring.
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Post by Leanne on Nov 2, 2010 2:30:54 GMT -5
Could be Teddy at the bar look at the new photos
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Post by katleehow on Nov 2, 2010 9:26:18 GMT -5
After seeing those pictures, I think it is very likely to be Cristina due to Owen's expression and then he is gone in one of the pics.
So what happens to Cristina in epi 8 or 9 to make her reach the point of getting drunk, etc...? If you look back at the pics for epi 8, April looks shocked or upset and Jackson is holding her back and Owen is I guess comforting her. What happens at that party? Why is Cristina not in those pictures? Does April play a role somehow?
Does Roy die in epi 8 and Cristina is still mad at Mer which leads to a complete breakdown? I keep thinking Shonda will have Cristina go through her own choking moment somehow before she comes roaring back. Are we to assume Cristina is seeing Dr. Wyatt during all this?
We haven't heard any spoilers which is odd for C/O but maybe we will start with Nov. sweeps starting. I continue to hope that Owen plays a huge part in supporting Cristina and she doesn't turn away from him too. This could give us some amazing scenes between SO and KMK.
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Post by ella1967 on Nov 5, 2010 14:57:55 GMT -5
I borrowed this quote from the webisode thread to ask the following question. * With the caveat being that I think Kevin's comment about how Owen is going to 'do everything he can to get her back' refers to helping Cristina regain her equilibrium as a whole person again rather than them separating.
After watching Cristina's actions regarding her residency in 7.7, where do we think her PTSD will go in terms of it coming to a head in 7.8? How far down the rabbit hole will Cristina go in this next episode and what will that look like?
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