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Post by kaz on Oct 6, 2010 18:47:14 GMT -5
DEREK IS VISITED BY HIS ESTRANGED SISTER, AMELIA SHEPHERD, ON ABC'S "GREY'S ANATOMY" Guest Starring "Private Practice's" Caterina Scorsone as Dr. Amelia Shepherd James Tupper ("Men in Trees") Guest Stars "Superfreak" - When Derek receives an unexpected and unwelcome visit from his estranged sister, Amelia, issues between the siblings -- both past and present -- come to the surface; the Chief tries to help Alex when he notices that he's refusing to use the elevators after his near-fatal shooting; and Meredith and Derek continue their efforts to ease Cristina back into surgery after her post-traumatic stress, on "Grey's Anatomy," THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7 (9:00-10:01 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. "Grey's Anatomy" stars Ellen Pompeo as Meredith Grey, Patrick Dempsey as Derek Shepherd, Sandra Oh as Cristina Yang, Justin Chambers as Alex Karev, Chandra Wilson as Miranda Bailey, James Pickens, Jr. as Richard Webber, Sara Ramirez as Callie Torres, Eric Dane as Mark Sloan, Chyler Leigh as Lexie Grey, Kevin McKidd as Owen Hunt, Jessica Capshaw as Arizona Robbins, Kim Raver as Teddy Altman, Jesse Williams as Jackson Avery and Sarah Drew as April Kepner. Guest cast includes Caterina Scorsone as Amelia, James Tupper as Andrew Perkins, Dana Davis as Gretchen, Art Chudabala as Jerry, Omar Gooding as Danny, and Jolene Kim as Tess. Co-starring Sean Carrigan as Todd and Arlene Santana as nurse. "Superfreak" was written by Mark Wilding and directed by Michael Pressman. --------------------------------------------- Thread will remain locked until day the episode airs.Thread is now unlocked.Please refrain from posting in this thread until after the episode has aired and remember to use spoiler tags. modified to add spoiler tags = find under Add tags see the end round face with big eyes and open mouth ... highlight your sentence and click that
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Post by kaz on Oct 7, 2010 17:54:18 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]This thread is now open for your discussion, thoughts, comments, reviews, musings (brief or extensive) about the episode once you have seen it.[/glow]
Here are some questions to ponder, to get you started:
- What did you think of this episode? - Did you like it/dislike it? - What parts did and didn't work for you? - What was the best scene/moment/line? What was the worst? - Is the episode worthy of a rewatch?
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Post by ruralstar on Oct 7, 2010 21:27:31 GMT -5
Honestly I've been prety frazzled for the last two weeks and never did get round to a proper review of the last ep. So to go with Kaz's idea...
- What did you think of this episode?
Thought it was well written with the exception of one completely unnecessary, juvenile scene. - Did you like it/dislike it?
Love it.
- What parts did and didn't work for you?
What worked-Cris continuing to freak, her conversations with Derek and Owen. The 'sorority' scene with Callie, Az, Bailey, Lexie and Teddy. The bromance moment with Owen and Derek. That was hysterical. Kevin's face was priceless as Owen struggled to find a clue. And I almost fell off the couch when Derek rolled over and realized that someone else besides Meredith was in bed with him. Finallly, although I don't like April, I love how she assessed everyone at the bar. She's an observant little thing even if she can't string a sentence together when it comes to sex.
What didn't-Okay, how incredibly juvenile are these people? Everyone staring, pointing and giggling at the man covered in warts? Sorry but I don't find it funny to laugh at that guy's expense. The scene was a reflection of all of them but way too heavy handed for my taste. Ditto for the anvil of the guy's wife leaving him while Mark watches. Yeah, he obviously didn't learn a thing given where he winds up by the end of the episode.
- What was the best scene/moment/line? What was the worst?
There wasn't much of Owen but every second was wonderful. My favorite scenes were his moments with Cris and the bromance with Derek.
"Would you love me if I wasn't a doctor?" "I would love you if you were a plumber. The question is would you love you if you weren't a doctor?" Owen has learned so much since last year's fumbling about. He gets Cris now. I loved how they cuddled on the couch at the end of the episode.
Worst moment has to be the gang staring at the guy with warts and making fun of Lexie struggling not to puke.
- Is the episode worthy of a rewatch?
Definitely.
Some other notable bits. Callie and Az want a life. I think it's understandable that they are more caught up in their own needs than in other people's drama. True the timing is bad but I find it plausible that they want Cris and Owen out. They didn't even see them on the couch but I suspect that was the point and perhaps the display was on purpose. Actiions certainly speak louder than words and are less stressful than either of them walking up to Cris and Owen and saying, 'Could you hit the road?"
Nice to see the Cheif being a real leader and paternal figure. I like how he took Alex in hand.
I didn't like everyone's reaction to the wart guy but I had to laugh when Bailey freaked over the spider. Come on, how many of us wouldn't jump in the same circumstances?
I felt bad for Teddy and I hope her relationship with the shrink isn't over. It could continue 'off camera' and leave the story intact for guest appearances.
I'm not usually a fan of Patrick Dempsey but I thought he was spot on tonight. I love how he went from comedic to serious throughout the episode. The conflict with his sister makes sense given their history. Everyone has their trauma. Too bad she likely won't be back.
The development of a real friendship between Cris and Derek as opposed to mutual tolerance will be fun to watch, provided it's done right. I like the idea so long as nothing more ever happens. In a show notorious for bed hopping anything is possible. Even if it's as unlikely as the four horsemen riding out of the fog.
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Post by Leanne on Oct 8, 2010 8:00:41 GMT -5
Yeah that was quite a cool episode I didnt really see the whole gross thing about the warts guy, it certainly would not have grossed me out to look at him that's for sure and these guys open people up for a living poke around now that's gross LOL...but I love the spider scene with Bailey ;D I would have freaked to (we seem to be covering phobias like the elevator to)
oh yes I am starting to like Aprils character, enjoyed her last scene at the bar .. the condom swallower was quite amusing to
And Derek and his sister at the end brought a tear to my eye
Meridith is a strange character she reminds me of some of the girls I knew at school who kinda blow hot and cold (moody I guess )... I admired her for standing up for April (and as a parent of a daughter I would have been most proud of April) but then not so taken with her mood swing that made her snap at April for asking about Cris..
Teddy and Perkins were great to ... also explained the Owen infatuation seems that Shonda is tying up loose ends by the million
mmm Quote would have to be Remember the kid, Elliot? He and E.T. had this weird and disturbing bond. If he got sick, E.T. got sick. If E.T. got drunk, Elliot got drunk. That’s kinda like Cristina and Meredith. Meanwhile, you and I are like the, um, government guys in the white hazmat suits. You know we’re trying to steer them into the right direction, but in the end we just don’t understand. (by Derek to Owen) ~ why well if you remember Kevin was sparked to be an actor after watching ET at 4yrs 11yrs old ;D
Owen and Cris ~ love the scene if I were a doctor... as well as the last scene with Arizona and Callie the look on Owens face LOL I have to say Owen seems so much more relaxed ....loving it
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Post by Geeze on Oct 8, 2010 9:10:54 GMT -5
Either my hearing is going or Derek mumbles so what was the last thing he said to Owen? Oh, just saw the questions. - What did you think of this episode? I loved/liked it. I agree with others that it does seem more like the old Grey's where they didn't seem so heavy-handed with the trying to force characters onto us so much. As a result, I did kind of like April better, but no amount of flavor enhancer is going to make me drink the Teddy Kool Aid (ack! ptooey!). - Did you like it/dislike it? I disliked any screen time taken up by Teddy Altman. - What parts did and didn't work for you? Derek and Cristina and the fact that he got her to at least wield a scalpel, Owen's what-the-hell expression, April's mind your own bidness rant, Bailey's spider freak out (it was NOT that big), the Chief giving Alex some love........all of that worked for me. You should know by now what didn't work for me (see above answers for clues). - What was the best scene/moment/line? The blue-themed Owen and Cristina cuddling up on the couch like it's a normal thing and the "I would love you if you were a plumber" (and whassup with that, the plumbers I know make BANK). Oh, also Derek discovering two women in bed with him and how he made sure Owen knew Mer was in the middle. What was the worst? Don't make me say it. - Is the episode worthy of a rewatch? Hells yeah. added Spoiler tags
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Post by ruralstar on Oct 8, 2010 10:41:37 GMT -5
Leanne, I forgot that tidbit about Kevin and E.T. Makes the scene all the better. I wonder if the writer knew when penning the analogy. The look on Kevin's face in that scene had me rolling.
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Post by iveocd on Oct 8, 2010 12:55:45 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying S7... much to my surprise Sandra & Kevin are finally getting some great material and a more believable SL. Hee hee Leanne.. I also think Kevin might have had a bit of influence on the dialogue.. as you pointed out, we got the ET ref and also I believe Kevin's dad used to be a plumber.. so I was wondering if there was some influence there too!! Both scenes made me laugh as I made the connections. Also with the whole "I'd love you if you were a plumber".. I wonder if this drawn from a personal experience of him wanting to be an actor and his parents wanted him to go into Engineering... he has said that they were supportive of him albeit acting wasn't what they initially wanted for him. From his experience, the whole 'we'd love you whatever you decide to do' may be how he associated with this scene. Anyway.... apart from the hot wardrobe (blue t-shirt anyone.. yum!!) and the great dialogue ... we got some to see some awesome subtlety in the acting from KMK and SO... I love this. On an unusual lighthearted note, it was hysterically funny how is eyebrows raised as Arizona stripped off and how he sneaked in a good look but then as it got intense he politely diverted his eyes.. that seemed to take some resolve... .. haha ... he's such a man wanting to watch .. but nevertheless always a gentleman as watching was "inappropriate". Role on epi4... so far so good.
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Post by Leanne on Oct 8, 2010 15:26:40 GMT -5
hey Ive ... glad to see that you also picked that up One wonders just how much of real life is in this show Perhaps a question for Kevin .... when we get a chance to do a q and a again
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Post by kaz on Oct 10, 2010 18:26:39 GMT -5
Okay, chiming in with my thoughts on this episode. What did you think of this episode? On the whole, it was a very solid episode and I don't have any major complaints about it. I think they covered the "freak" theme well without being too heavy-handed and we got some progress for some of the characters even though there were no huge moments. In a way, I think this was one of those "filler" episodes. Nothing terribly major happened. But it didn't feel like useless filler, if that makes sense. There was still forward movement and enough to keep it interesting. Did you like it/dislike it? I did like it. I'm not sure that I could say that I LOVED it, because it felt like a much simpler episode than the previous two. Less angsty and in your face. But still, it was very good and I definitely enjoyed it alot. What parts did and didn't work for you? All of the Owen/Cristina parts worked for me, obviously. As did the interactions between the residents and the way they seem to be folding Jackson and April into the mix. I really liked April in the bar at the end and the fact that she earned some respect from Meredith, just for standing up for who she is.
There was nothing that didn't really work for me. I still felt like the Teddy/Perkins stuff was displaced but it seems like the point of it was just to make clear that Teddy always goes for unavailable men. The whole thing just seemed confusing to me though, because we'd been given so little to go on. Clearly Perkins is from out of town, otherwise what's the big deal with him leaving the hospital? Presumably it's possible to date people who live in Seattle but don't work at Seattle Grace? Too many unexplained things but I don't think any of it matters.
Also, all of the Arizona stuff in general just feels OFF and a little inconsistent with her character. I never took her for someone who was so inconsiderate and yet at every opportunity this episode she was asking about when Owen and his "traumatised wife" were going to get the hell out of the apartment. I guess that storyline's not working for me, in general. I used to like Arizona but so far this season I haven't. I'm not sure if the writers are meaning to make her unsympathetic or they think they're being funny. Either way, not working.
What was the best scene/moment/line? What was the worst? The hands down best scene for me was Owen and Cristina in the on call room. For the first time in a long time, these two actually talked TO each other and not at each other. There was no bursting in with a grand speech. Owen seemed much softer and Cristina was open about the way she was feeling. This scene put into context why Owen wasn't in that initial meeting yelling at Perkins and telling him that Cristina needs to be pushed back into surgery. He sees how vulnerable she is and his role at the moment, is just to be there for her - when she pages during the day, at night when she can't sleep and any other time she needs. To be there, to listen and to love. If he pushes her like Shepherd pushed her this week (and he tried to last week), he's going to drive her away. So he's just going with it and being her silent support.
What I loved so much about this scene was the answer he gave when she asked if he would love her if she weren't a surgeon. It was so obvious, but so perfect. Of course he would, his love is unconditional. But it's not about him and I love that he is trying to gently remind her of that and of who she was and what she wanted for herself before the shooting.
My second favourite scene was obviously the last O/C one back at home. Of course I loved the WTF looks on both Owen and Cristina's faces when Callie and Arizona burst in but what made the scene for me were the little moments before. Firstly, the way Cristina was so relieved when Owen revealed he was home all night and secondly, that look on Owen's face (that I can't describe) when Cristina said she thought she could learn to like being a plumber. There were no words spoken, but you could see Owen's reaction in his eyes and it killed me. Cristina has so far to go and I can't wait to see it.
Finally, an honourable mention here is the scene in the bar when April gave some home truths about the other residents as she explained why her being a virgin wasn't drinks conversation. April is still socially awkward and annoying but I am growing to like her more and more.
I don't think I could pinpoint a scene which was the worst, as such. I did roll my eyes at the end when Lexie walked in on Mark and Amelia. So the cycle of off-timing begins for these two. Yawn.
I also didn't really care for any of the scenes where the doctors were poking fun at the patient with the warts and looking like they were about to gag. Really? You haven't seen MORE disgusting things than that at the hospital??
I have to admit that the spider thing made me jump though. I have a major phobia when it comes to spiders, big or small, and I understood Bailey's reaction 100%.
Is the episode worthy of a rewatch? Definitely. In fact, I've already watched it twice and will probably watch again before 7.04 airs. I have to say that overall this season has been very good so far. I think back to 3 episodes into season 6 and the difference is just staggering.
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Post by betinad on Oct 11, 2010 20:32:39 GMT -5
some of my thoughts about the episode What did you think of this episode? I think it was a good one. Not great, but with no major holes either. Glad to see that some stories are starting to move. Did you like it/dislike it? I like it. It is not one of the epic ones, but one that I will keep in the DVR for a while . What parts did and didn't work for you? Obviously I loved Owen/Cristina parts. Glad to start seing them more established as a couple. I really enjoyed Derek and Cristina interaction , will like to see more of that in the next episodes. I think Cristina has still a long road ahead to recovery, glad to see her "family" working all together to help her.
I am still not much seeing some character's stories or enjoying them fully. Alex is still in the limbo regarding storyline, Jackson is a filler with not much to do so far. I have started to like April, if she keeps to evolve and find her voice. Lexie and Mark - as much as I liked them as a couple - not finding them really interesting this season . Mark attitude is getting old and Lexie is plain annoying.
What I didn't like? Arizona. I know it is supposed to be funny but she was absolutely mean to everybody in the episode. Hope somebody put her in her place soon.
What was the best scene/moment/line? What was the worst? there are a couple that I really liked. Derek finding Cristina in his bed and he moving to the very end of the bed was a good one. Owen and Cristina in the on call room is beautiful, cause it shows a deep connection between them and is very sweet. I love that Owen didn't try to hug her or touch her, he just simply laid there waiting for her to talk to him. He knows better than anybody around that she will only talk when she is ready and that all he can do is be there and support her.
The last O/C scene I love an small moment. Owen 's face when Cristina tells him that she thinks she can be happy being a plumber. There is a small second when Owen looks down and you can see his concern about that, cause he knows she is far from healed. (Glad we agree on this Kaz!)
Obviously their expressions when C/A got into the apartment making out are really funny. Glad that they made Owen reaction a mixed between amuzed and uncomfortable and not a prude one or a shocked one. His smile when he was hit by Callie's tshirt was priceless.
Something I have noticed is that Cristina is always hiding herself behind sheets or covers. It is like she wants to dissapear in a way. I find that very sad, cause she was always the one that wanted to be noticed ... Hope to see that Cristina, and enjoying her life as a doctor and a wife soon.
Worst scene? I cannot say there was one but really found Amelia's scenes boring. I am tired of spoiled brats around the hospital....Enough with PP crossovers!
Is the episode worthy of a rewatch? it was for me. But I have to admit that I ff certain parts
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Oct 11, 2010 20:41:12 GMT -5
Noticed something on a re-watch that Mer mispelled Der's last name on the board when she added Amy. Signs that I notice way too much on this show.
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Post by kaz on Oct 11, 2010 20:57:38 GMT -5
I think it was a good one. Not great, but with no major holes either. Glad to see that some stories are starting to move. I agree about this. It wasn't a monumental episode, but it was still successful. And we still moved forward, even if only ever so slightly. Obviously I loved Owen/Cristina parts. Glad to start seing them more established as a couple. I really enjoyed Derek and Cristina interaction , will like to see more of that in the next episodes. I think Cristina has still a long road ahead to recovery, glad to see her "family" working all together to help her. I forgot to mention this. All of the Derek/Cristina stuff was good. I like that they essentially had Derek admit that although he wouldn't have picked her to be in his life now that she is, he cares about her. I've been waiting for seasons for these two to finally have some common ground and I'm glad they're doing it in a natural way - they could have gone all in and had them be best buddies, in light of Cristina having saved Derek's life, but it just wouldn't have rung true. I am looking forward to seeing more of them working together and Derek looking out for Cristina professionally, while Owen is there for her personally. I think she needs that separation and to feel like she has Owen to run to/go home to when everything at the hospital is just getting too much. Lexie and Mark - as much as I liked them as a couple - not finding them really interesting this season . Mark attitude is getting old and Lexie is plain annoying. I am so over this storyline and these two. Put them together or let them move on. I wouldn't mind seeing Lexie with someone like Jackson. They seemed to be building a little bit of a rapport last season and I'd be more interested in seeing that grow in a natural way than the back and forth between Mark and Lexie. It just feels like the same old issues all the time. Enough already. What I didn't like? Arizona. I know it is supposed to be funny but she was absolutely mean to everybody in the episode. Hope somebody put her in her place soon. I just don't know what purpose it served to have her be so callous this episode. Can anyone else explain it? Is she acting out because it's Cristina? Is this the way she deals with the aftermath of the shooting, by making light of another person's trauma? I'm not sure if it WAS supposed to be funny or if we were supposed feel uncomfortable about this other side of Arizona. Not sure where it's headed. there are a couple that I really liked. Derek finding Cristina in his bed and he moving to the very end of the bed was a good one. Owen and Cristina in the on call room is beautiful, cause it shows a deep connection between them and is very sweet. I love that Owen didn't try to hug her or touch her, he just simply laid there waiting for her to talk to him. He knows better than anybody around that she will only talk when she is ready and that all he can do is be there and support her.
The last O/C scene I love an small moment. Owen 's face when Cristina tells him that she thinks she can be happy being a plumber. There is a small second when Owen looks down and you can see his concern about that, cause he knows she is far from healed. (Glad we agree on this Kaz!)
Obviously their expressions when C/A got into the apartment making out are really funny. Glad that they made Owen reaction a mixed between amuzed and uncomfortable and not a prude one or a shocked one. His smile when he was hit by Callie's tshirt was priceless.
Agree with you on all of the above and also liked that Cristina was the one to say at the end that they needed to get their own place. Still not sure what's wrong with Owen's place but perhaps they're not moving into his for the same reason that Arizona moves into Callie's place and not vice versa (according to Shonda on Twitter) - Callie/Cristina live right across the road from the hospital. Either way, it opens the door to some house hunting and what I think will be a fun storyline Something I have noticed is that Cristina is always hiding herself behind sheets or covers. It is like she wants to dissapear in a way. I find that very sad, cause she was always the one that wanted to be noticed ... Hope to see that Cristina, and enjoying her life as a doctor and a wife soon.
I still find it interesting that this season we are seeing something we have never seen before - Cristina completely invested in a relationship. She is entirely dependent on Owen and it's a totally different side of her. Yes, it's more than a little extreme and as a Cristina fan makes me sad for the loss of the strong person she always was. But at the same time, it also makes me excited for that moment when she finally gets to have everything - and by that I mean a balance between her love for Owen and her love for surgery. Shonda has been a bit cheeky in giving Cristina one but taking the other away this season, when Cristina has struggled for 6 seasons to come to terms with maybe being able to have both, but it creates more drama and uncertainty and I say bring it on because the moment that Cristina Yang gets her groove back and has a loving Owen at her side will be all the more sweet. Contrary to the beliefs of some, I don't think Cristina is going to reach a point where she remembers her love of surgery and then decides that she made a huge mistake in marrying Owen, because the "old" her wouldn't have done it. I think she's really going to find a middle ground out of all of this. But that's a discussion best saved for another thread. Worst scene? I cannot say there was one but really found Amelia's scenes boring. I am tired of spoiled brats around the hospital....Enough with PP crossovers! For me, Amelia was just a bit useless and I hate the way they introduce family members that we've not heard of EVER in the course of 6 seasons. The only parts with Amelia that I half-liked were Derek putting her in her place and telling her to shut up about Cristina, because she saved his life, and then the Amelia/Derek talk at the end (although it was slightly cheesy with Derek's "I don't want you to know pain exists" part). Other than that, I could really have done without another crossover.
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Post by ella1967 on Oct 12, 2010 0:51:10 GMT -5
I haven't posted a review here yet each time I come here and peruse what y'all have had to say it's like someone is reading my mind. Today it's Kaz! All of the Derek/Cristina stuff was good. I like that they essentially had Derek admit that although he wouldn't have picked her to be in his life now that she is, he cares about her. I've been waiting for seasons for these two to finally have some common ground and I'm glad they're doing it in a natural way - they could have gone all in and had them be best buddies, in light of Cristina having saved Derek's life, but it just wouldn't have rung true. I am looking forward to seeing more of them working together and Derek looking out for Cristina professionally, while Owen is there for her personally. I think she needs that separation and to feel like she has Owen to run to/go home to when everything at the hospital is just getting too much. My underlining added to your comments behind the above shown spoiler tags. One thing I've always liked about Owen and Cristina's relationship - straight through from 5.2's 'mistakes are how you learn' is it's clear Owen is a gifted trauma surgeon from whom Cristina can learn and that he respects her talents yet...he's not her mentor which allows them to develop their personal relationship separate from work, even though they do work together.
We clearly saw Owen understanding how crucial Cristina's work is to her definition of self in this episode yet he also knows she is incredibly vulnerable right now and personal support is the best thing he can offer her in light of what happened in 7.2's OR. Since one of Cristina's central issues has always been how to have balance, and specifically how to do so when it comes to professional and personal, it's especially crucial that she have the ability to develop personal and feel fully supported in that part of her life with Owen as she fights her way to the surface professionally too. As she gets her feet under her at work again she and Owen will be able to work together on cases, IMO.
I still find it interesting that this season we are seeing something we have never seen before - Cristina completely invested in a relationship. She is entirely dependent on Owen and it's a totally different side of her. Yes, it's more than a little extreme and as a Cristina fan makes me sad for the loss of the strong person she always was. But at the same time, it also makes me excited for that moment when she finally gets to have everything - and by that I mean a balance between her love for Owen and her love for surgery. Shonda has been a bit cheeky in giving Cristina one but taking the other away this season, when Cristina has struggled for 6 seasons to come to terms with maybe being able to have both, but it creates more drama and uncertainty and I say bring it on because the moment that Cristina Yang gets her groove back and has a loving Owen at her side will be all the more sweet. Contrary to the beliefs of some, I don't think Cristina is going to reach a point where she remembers her love of surgery and then decides that she made a huge mistake in marrying Owen, because the "old" her wouldn't have done it. I think she's really going to find a middle ground out of all of this. But that's a discussion best saved for another thread. It's interesting that you point out Cristina's strength in your comments because, even as they show her being more emotionally vulnerable than we've ever seen her I still think she's also showing incredible strength, albeit a different type than we've seen from her before. She is a woman completely invested in her relationship yet she is also a woman who is completely following through on the promise of that emotional growth she exhibited in S.6 by loving Owen and letting him in and letting him love her in return. I too thought it was a bit rude of Shonda to spin Cristina back into this situation in which she felt she didn't have access to career so as to make it seem that she is prioritizing love as a result of the loss of that access. And yet I'm fully with you in believing that from this Cristina will learn concretely that she can have both a loving relationship with Owen and a successful career. (Does anyone else hear echoes of 'we matter' in that?) What we've gotten, as you point out, is a woman who's willing to go for it in her personal life in a way we've never seen her do. I still say she was joking when she said 'he's in charge of me' in 7.2 because as we saw in that episode and now in 7.3 is that she now has the ability through what happened to be herself with Owen, to ask for what she needs in her relationship with him without apology and to have those needs met. In a time of great fear we're seeing these two be, dare I say it, adults in their relationship. (Maybe other characters could learn from such an example? Calling Mark Sloan...)
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Oct 12, 2010 14:23:59 GMT -5
I haven't posted a review here yet each time I come here and peruse what y'all have had to say it's like someone is reading my mind. Today it's Kaz! All of the Derek/Cristina stuff was good. I like that they essentially had Derek admit that although he wouldn't have picked her to be in his life now that she is, he cares about her. I've been waiting for seasons for these two to finally have some common ground and I'm glad they're doing it in a natural way - they could have gone all in and had them be best buddies, in light of Cristina having saved Derek's life, but it just wouldn't have rung true. I am looking forward to seeing more of them working together and Derek looking out for Cristina professionally, while Owen is there for her personally. I think she needs that separation and to feel like she has Owen to run to/go home to when everything at the hospital is just getting too much. My underlining added to your comments behind the above shown spoiler tags. One thing I've always liked about Owen and Cristina's relationship - straight through from 5.2's 'mistakes are how you learn' is it's clear Owen is a gifted trauma surgeon from whom Cristina can learn and that he respects her talents yet...he's not her mentor which allows them to develop their personal relationship separate from work, even though they do work together.
We clearly saw Owen understanding how crucial Cristina's work is to her definition of self in this episode yet he also knows she is incredibly vulnerable right now and personal support is the best thing he can offer her in light of what happened in 7.2's OR. Since one of Cristina's central issues has always been how to have balance, and specifically how to do so when it comes to professional and personal, it's especially crucial that she have the ability to develop personal and feel fully supported in that part of her life with Owen as she fights her way to the surface professionally too. As she gets her feet under her at work again she and Owen will be able to work together on cases, IMO.
I still find it interesting that this season we are seeing something we have never seen before - Cristina completely invested in a relationship. She is entirely dependent on Owen and it's a totally different side of her. Yes, it's more than a little extreme and as a Cristina fan makes me sad for the loss of the strong person she always was. But at the same time, it also makes me excited for that moment when she finally gets to have everything - and by that I mean a balance between her love for Owen and her love for surgery. Shonda has been a bit cheeky in giving Cristina one but taking the other away this season, when Cristina has struggled for 6 seasons to come to terms with maybe being able to have both, but it creates more drama and uncertainty and I say bring it on because the moment that Cristina Yang gets her groove back and has a loving Owen at her side will be all the more sweet. Contrary to the beliefs of some, I don't think Cristina is going to reach a point where she remembers her love of surgery and then decides that she made a huge mistake in marrying Owen, because the "old" her wouldn't have done it. I think she's really going to find a middle ground out of all of this. But that's a discussion best saved for another thread. It's interesting that you point out Cristina's strength in your comments because, even as they show her being more emotionally vulnerable than we've ever seen her I still think she's also showing incredible strength, albeit a different type than we've seen from her before. She is a woman completely invested in her relationship yet she is also a woman who is completely following through on the promise of that emotional growth she exhibited in S.6 by loving Owen and letting him in and letting him love her in return. I too thought it was a bit rude of Shonda to spin Cristina back into this situation in which she felt she didn't have access to career so as to make it seem that she is prioritizing love as a result of the loss of that access. And yet I'm fully with you in believing that from this Cristina will learn concretely that she can have both a loving relationship with Owen and a successful career. (Does anyone else hear echoes of 'we matter' in that?) What we've gotten, as you point out, is a woman who's willing to go for it in her personal life in a way we've never seen her do. I still say she was joking when she said 'he's in charge of me' in 7.2 because as we saw in that episode and now in 7.3 is that she now has the ability through what happened to be herself with Owen, to ask for what she needs in her relationship with him without apology and to have those needs met. In a time of great fear we're seeing these two be, dare I say it, adults in their relationship. (Maybe other characters could learn from such an example? Calling Mark Sloan...) So a couple thougths I had after reading Ella's I like that O/C are now the grown ups on the show. I only hope that Owen doesn't relapse because of getting neglected emotionally from taking care of Cristina this entire time. He still seems to be completely unaffected by the shooting and I would think he would have some kind of difficulty aside from his urgency to stabilize his relationship with Cristina. That's the only part i"m kind of confused about with Owen.
I wonder if Cristina's temporary absence from Cardio is really a punishment but more of a rediscovery of herself because when she gets involved with Derek's service, she might realize skills she never knew she had. I just wonder if Owen will start to feel neglected somehow and fall back into his Iraq patterns with opening up to Teddy which I really don't care to see. I feel like the show has done a bad job of showing us the depth of their friendship and it is beyond damage control.
As for the Teddy stuff, I continue to not care for this character. The Attachment Barbie line was so recycled from season 5 when Cristina called her Desert Storm Barbie. I think it was their way of trying to make us like her the way they did with Addie and the poison ivy incident, but it failed as far as I'm concerned. The whole digression of AZ's character is confusing as well. I understand they are desperate for us to like Teddy but why should another character suffer for it? It took me a long time to get to the point that I liked Arizona now I feel like I could careless. I might have cared about Perkins and Teddy but since it was pretty much over by the time it got to the screen I had no investment. I also don't buy that Teddy would be so attached to him yet she had no problem when she caught Mark with Reed and was actually laughing about it. They really need to be consistent with this character if they want us to have any understanding or else just have her fade into the background. For someone that seems to be so manic emotionally I find it hard to believe she was even in the military.
I hate when they have the female characters say things about themselves like they know they're hot or call themselves some kind of barbie name like Teddy did, its really annoying and not cute.
I agree that they should just forget about Mark/Lexie it has dragged on too long. I think fans are tired of the game. The Amelia stuff was a bore, I don't care to meet any more Shepherds or Grey's. I would be interested in meeting a few Hunts to see how Cristina reacts to Owen's family but that's about it. Amelia just didn't sit well with me, and the whole thing just felt forced like when the Dr's were acting like kids around the tree guy, totally unprofessional.
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