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Post by kaz on Nov 30, 2010 20:24:41 GMT -5
GREY'S ANATOMY: Adrift and at Peace (12/2) CONCERNED FOR CRISTINA, DEREK TAKES HER ON A FISHING TRIP, DESPITE MEREDITH'S OBJECTIONS, ON ABC'S "GREY'S ANATOMY"
Guest Starring Scott Foley ("The Unit," "Felicity") "Adrift and at Peace" - Despite Meredith's objections to the idea, a concerned Derek takes Cristina on a fishing trip in order to get away from it all, while Teddy, feeling directionless without Cristina, directs all of her efforts and compassion towards a dying patient (played by Scott Foley) who lacks the proper insurance to seek medical treatment, on "Grey's Anatomy," THURS., DECEMBER 2 (9:00-10:01 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
"Grey's Anatomy" stars Ellen Pompeo as Meredith Grey, Patrick Dempsey as Derek Shepherd, Sandra Oh as Cristina Yang, Justin Chambers as Alex Karev, Chandra Wilson as Miranda Bailey, James Pickens, Jr. as Richard Webber, Sara Ramirez as Callie Torres, Eric Dane as Mark Sloan, Chyler Leigh as Lexie Grey, Kevin McKidd as Owen Hunt, Jessica Capshaw as Arizona Robbins, Kim Raver as Teddy Altman, Jesse Williams as Jackson Avery and Sarah Drew as April Kepner.
Guest cast TBA.
"Adrift and at Peace" was written by Tony Phelan & Joan Rater and directed by Allison Liddi-Brown.
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Post by cl3me on Dec 2, 2010 23:32:22 GMT -5
Loved it, well at least most of it... What a welcome relief to see Cristina finally stop long enough to just be in the moment and feel rather than think so that she can find peace, grace, acceptance...
(I understand what that kind of moment feels like - been there. For me I find my moments of peace out on a trail ride with my horse - mended many a broken heart that has...)
so I love how Derek has shared his way to find center, and you could see too that he understood exactly what was happening when she had her moment. I'm finding Derek so much more interesting this season.
Great to see Owen stand up to Mer; shows he knows Cris best after all.
Derek summed it up best when he said that yes Cris was going to be OK with absolute certainty, but wasn't sure if she would be a surgeon. Kind of what Owen was trying to get Mer to understand. Owen just wants Cris to be OK because he's gonna love her whether she's a surgeon or not.
That part was so good I will ignore how contrived nurse Eli asking Bailey out just like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for Bailey to finally have a win with the fistulas and a cute guy interested in her, but without us seeing any previous interaction it kinda came from outta nowhere and doesn't feel organic. I like seeing at least a little bit of the chase, the flirting. (also, I had a tough time as seeing him as Eli and not Franco from Rescue Me).
The Mark/Callie/Lexie/AVery and now Callie thing is going to get very complicated....
Then Teddy offering to Marry a guy she just met that day. That was my first big WTF moment this year, but I will ignore it (mentally crunch it up into a ball and throw it into the waste basket) cuz the good stuff was so good in this ep (Sandra OH rocks).
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Post by kaz on Dec 3, 2010 5:35:35 GMT -5
I completely loved this episode and despite the lack of C/O interaction am very thankful that we ended 2010 with this. I feel like there was a glimmer of hope by the end that we get to come back to in 2011. My favourite moments were the argument between Owen and Meredith in the OR after the surgery and Cristina letting those tears finally roll on the dock as she had her picture taken.
The Owen/Meredith and Derek/Cristina interactions were such polar opposites but I loved them equally.
I really feel for both Owen and Meredith (although I side more with Owen because I feel like Meredith really isn't understanding what the Cristina in the now needs - she's only looking at the past and judging by what old Cristina would have needed...scalpel, surgery, blood, work). They both love Cristina so much though and want so desperately for her to heal. Noone really knows how to make it happen. The emotion in their scenes all episode but especially in the OR showdown was palpable and their heated argument was just electric.
As for Derek and Cristina, they had some really lovely moments this episode. I loved watching Cristina unable to just switch off her brain and fish and then being overjoyed when she finally snagged one. But by far the best part of all of it was when the guy taking the photo said to Derek that she was really something and he simply responded with "she is" and then Cristina let those tears out. Sandra Oh is incredible and that moment had me in tears. I don't often say this, but nice work by Patrick Dempsey also.
The rest of the episode was pretty good. The Teddy storyline seems stupid and underdeveloped - I get what she's trying to do and how she's trying to help a patient survive and heal where she couldn't help Cristina but they haven't really explained that aspect in enough detail all season to really justify this development. Stupidity of the writing aside, I thought the actors did a nice job and I did enjoy the scenes.
Other noteworthy scenes were all interactions between Bailey and Eli - he is a piece of mancake if ever I've seen one. Bailey gets all the hot men!!! I'm glad she said yes to a date and I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes.
I liked that Callie's "I'm awesome" attitude carried right the way through the episode culminating in the door in Arizona's face, showing AZ that she isn't just going to jump at the chance to be back in her arms after the way things went down. These two have a rocky road ahead but I'm more interested in seeing that than the "pink bubble" stuff from pre-Malawi.
Finally, Mark and Lexie. I'm really not sure where this is going or why Lexie is insisting that they are still at different stages in their lives (last I checked, Mark had dropped the whole idea of having a kid, which was what came between them last time). But that aside, I wasn't annoyed by this storyline this week.
Of course, my happy feelings about some of the lesser storylines this week (Mark/Lexie, Callie, Teddy) could be because I was just so taken by the Cristina, Derek, Owen and Meredith of it all. I'm prepared not to analyse it too much though and ruin an episode that for me was pretty pitch perfect. Now to deal with a 4 week break!
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Post by ruralstar on Dec 3, 2010 7:16:01 GMT -5
No time or energy to read others comments but I do concur with Kaz, this was a nice way to enter the hiatus. Solid episode. Some folks were a bit ditzy and/or desperate for my taste but overall I enjoyed the ep very much.
Favorite moments:
Cristina's epiphany while holding the fish. It was all on her face and Derek's. Well done Sandra Oh. Now let's see where it leaves Cristina.
Owen throwing Meredith out of the OR. We almost cheered here. She's a pain in the ass and I'm glad Owen called her on her BS and then took the time to explain. He's right and she's wrong in this case and that just kills her. Lucius Vorenus moment when Owen stared Meredith down. LOVED it.
Callie closing the door on Arizona. To some extent Az was right, Callie was bringing her down by fighting against moving to Africa. On the other hand there are nicer ways to break things off with someone than standing in the middle of an airport. I didn't expect to see Az and I'm very curious where this couple is headed now. Callie isn't ready to stand on her own, as evidenced by her tumble with Mark, so this scene might be poinitless bravado. Loved it anyway.
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Post by Leanne on Dec 3, 2010 16:36:37 GMT -5
- What did you think of this episode? loved it - Which parts, if any, are worthy of a rewatch and which could you do with never seeing again? rewatch : definitely Cris and her fish - What was your favourite thing about this episode (line/character/scene/storyline etc)? And your least favourite? Cris and Derek doing the whole fishing thing Cris and her Fish photo Bailey has herself a new cute hottie way to go Bailey loved the way they tied up a few ends there like Lexie and Arizona Owen putting mer in her place, yes Sandra acted her part awesomely and Mer/Ellen and Owen/kevin were great in there scene .... ok help me out were would I have seen the dude that Teddy is trying to marry it bugged me the whole time I watched? Loved it ... looking so forward to January ....
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Post by betinad on Dec 3, 2010 16:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by kaz on Dec 3, 2010 21:05:06 GMT -5
Watched the episode again and it definitely stands up to repeat viewing. I did fast forward some of the Callie "I'm awesome" stuff and the OR scene with her and Alex where she's telling him to switch to ortho. Also FF'd the Teddy/patient scene at the end with the marriage proposal. Don't need to see that again.
But everything else I rewatched and liked (or loved, depending on the scene).
That moment when Derek says "she really is" and then he and Cristina make eye contact and the weight of everything just hits her and she lets go still hits me the second time around. That is one of my favourite moments of the season.
I also repeatedly watched the Owen/Meredith blowout. I love that Owen calls Meredith out for being reckless and I thought Ellen Pompeo's delivery in the scene was also really nice. She's angry but she's also in tears when she's talking about Cristina, which shows how much she really loves her friend. The final scene with the patient and his wife was also a good one for the both of them. Loved that Owen said they were just concentrating on getting through the next 24 hours and it's important to not think too far ahead, which is totally what he and Derek are doing with Cristina (and Meredith doesn't quite understand). But I also loved that Meredith told the patient that even though when she looked at her husband she might be seeing machines and damage, he was still there. Win.
Oh, and on the fun side I loved Bailey's scene in the conference room especially her skip to the door!
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Dec 3, 2010 22:24:06 GMT -5
he was Noel on the show felicity - What did you think of this episode? loved it - Which parts, if any, are worthy of a rewatch and which could you do with never seeing again? rewatch : definitely Cris and her fish - What was your favourite thing about this episode (line/character/scene/storyline etc)? And your least favourite? Cris and Derek doing the whole fishing thing Cris and her Fish photo Bailey has herself a new cute hottie way to go Bailey loved the way they tied up a few ends there like Lexie and Arizona Owen putting mer in her place, yes Sandra acted her part awesomely and Mer/Ellen and Owen/kevin were great in there scene .... ok help me out were would I have seen the dude that Teddy is trying to marry it bugged me the whole time I watched? Loved it ... looking so forward to January ....
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Post by Leanne on Dec 4, 2010 5:53:30 GMT -5
Thanks Betinad and Marryme
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Dec 4, 2010 12:29:41 GMT -5
I enjoyed this episode even though not much of OC together it showed the best range of both of them: I'll start with Owen and Meredith, they obviously both want what is best for Cristina but I think Meredith is being more selfish about it because she doesn't accept how different Cristina is now and Owen is more or less going with the flow. She seems to think that if Cristina just gets back into the OR and becomes a robot again that she'll be fine because that is what Meredith is doing to forget. It isn't giong to work though and I think eventually Meredith is going to have a breakdown herself. Owen was right in saying that she is reckless, remember in S4 when she almost drowned herself? I think the main difference is Owen is no longer living in the past as he was when he was having more trouble with his PTSD, no Meredith is stuck in the past, but I don't think she can move forward until she understands that Cristina is a totally different person. Also I think she feels displaced because she used to be the one that could 'fix' Cristina now Owen and Derek are the go to guys for her. I personally think Meredith holds people back from progress in their emotional struggles, especially Cristina, because Meredith is so judgemental. She is really more like her mother than she would like to admit. Plus I think Mer is using Cristina to avoid her own issues about the miscarriage and Derek almost dying, which have basically gone unaddressed. Another flaw in the writing. But I love that Owen kicked her out of his OR, and laid everything on the table. He lives with Cristina 24/7 now and knows her in a way that Meredith can't because he has been there himself. And that is what bothers her the most. They both agree that Cristina needs something but can't figure out what, except that she needs space, not someone constantly judging her like Meredith has been. One thing I love about Owen is that he is so accepting of Cristina no matter what and by letting her have space shows that he understands what she needs at the moment. Meredith was definately in the wrong, and frankly I think she is also a bit jealous because she can't mother Cristina like she used to. Besides I think Cristina has always responded better to father-like figures in her life. In some ways I think saving Derek was a cathartic way of her being able to save her father, and I also think Owen offers her not only the support of a lover but is kind of a father figure as well because of his maturity in how he deals with her. I really loved the fishing trip scenes with Derek and Cristina. They were so poignant and I think that Cristina finally just let everything sink in during that photograph moment. She had been outside of herself looking in for so long, now she was finally at a place where she could be herself again. It was heartbreaking and happy to see at the same time and I really just shed tears watching the emotions unfold. Sandra Oh has incredible range, and this is one of those iconic GA scenes. I am glad that she shared it with Derek, and how he kind of just let her dangle her toes in the water before being completely submerged within herself again. It was really cathartic. I will watch that again.
Mark and Callie- I knew that their one night stand would be a non-issue, but it is fun to see them together as roommates. I think they are both goingg through the same thing so its natural for them to just depend on each other. I was kind of happy that Callie slammed the door in AZ's face, she deserved it a long time ago in my opinion when she was making jokes about Cristina. Mark and Lexie, ok. It was kind of a so-what moment for me.
Firstly, I don't buy the whole idea that Teddy is overly concerned about Cristina because we haven't realy seen their dynamic or any type of relationship developed. She certainly is not the mentor she claims to be, yet another narrative she built up in her head. Her speech to the Chief was very unprofessional as well, I notice that Teddy likes to throw accuations in people's faces like when she said "If it was Shepard or Bailey you would have no problem blah blah" Why is she always the victim? That aside, the idea that she is so depressed that she offers to marry a patient she doesn't know to offer him her insurance is ludicrous. I really don't care about Teddy and the terminal patient. i think it is GA jumping the shark. Why they think Teddy can support such a dramatic storyline is beyond me. It kind of sucks for me though because I have loved Scott Foley for years in Felicity, I just can't fathom getting into any scenes with Henry and Teddy. I think this is really just a hail mary for the writers and if this doesn't work for establishing Teddy as a long term character nothing is going to.
Bailey was kind of hilarious as well, loved the nurse asking her out, I think he is more interesting than Ben because he is really a match for Bailey because of how much of a stickler he is about his job. I think that he recognizes the same in Bailey and finds that attractive, very cute scenes. I could totally get over April, Avery and Lexie in this episode, they weren't really needed. I always wonder what happened to SGH being a teaching hospital since there are no more interns apparently. I guess they just disappeared.
All in all I liked this episode a lot, it is a great way to end the mid-season, now hopefully we can get some great OC scenes in the second half because they were seriously lacking.
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Post by trinity on Dec 4, 2010 13:29:54 GMT -5
I liked this episode, though what lacked was some CO scenes: I LOVED Owen and what he told Meredith. That was long needed. Owen didn't say anything to Meredith for a long time because she is Cristina's best friend and he knows Cristina needs her. And because of that he avoided for a long time to have any confrontation, but in this episode she crossed the line. In a big way. She still believes that she is the only one who knows Cristina and knows what is best for her. IMO, she doesn't even realize how changed Cristina is because of the shooting. She thinks that Cristina just has to go back to the way she was. And Owen is again right Meredith is not Cristina, they are two different people with different reactions even though they are BFF. She still doesn't get that pushing Cristina will not solve the situation, but on the contrary it will worsen it. A thing that both Owen and Derek get.
She is accusing everyone around her to what's happenning to Cristina (to some extent even Derek), but yet when Owen gave her the chance to talk to Cristina ("Let me help you with that", he says to Derek so the two friends would have a moment) she doesn't take that opportunity. Not even in that moment does she make the first step into talking to Cristina. She was given the chance to have a heart to heart conversation with Cristina and she didn't take it.
Meredith and Owen are total opposites. Cristina is their only thing in common. Meredith is and always has been dysfunctional (aka "dark and twisty"). And as she needs Derek to anchor her in reality, the exact same way Cristina needs Owen. He is a rational, earth-grounded person (putting aside his PTSD problems) with a lot more life experience and who has actually lived outside the bubble called "the hospital". He is the one who picked up and called Meredith on how unhealthy it was for her to tell the gunman to shoot her. I am still astonished that Meredith still doubts of how much Owen loves Cristina and wants what's the best for her.
And before calling on him like that, before making all those accusations, she should remember that Owen saved her life. He took that bullet for her, otherwise she would have been dead. Owen doesn't need praise for that, but at least she should say to him "thank you". Because other wise she wouldn't be where she is.
Owen had all the right to ask Mer to get out of the OR. He told her not to do a thing and she simply ignored what he told her, because she thought that she would get away with it. Because she always does. But not with Owen, because he doesn't play favorites - like it happens most of time when it comes to Meredith.
Owen anticipated every word of Meredith, yet he was patients enough to let her talk and listen what she's thinking. He didn't shut her down, although he knew from the beginning that she would blame him for what's happening with Cristina. He has spent almost all day trying to warm Meredith up to the idea of Cristina fishing with Derek, he tried to open up her perspective - asking her if she's ever gone fishing with Derek, the idea of going bowling with Bailey, etc. Each time, she shut him down, showing no flexibility. Owen tried to avoid till the last minute to have that confrontation with Meredith. She just pushed things too hard and crossed the line.
Sandra Oh is as usual AMAZING!! That scene when she starts crying and the guy is taking the picture was incredible. You could just feel how she released all the pressure and just let herself feel. It was a huge breakthrough for Cristina. Loved the little scene with her and Owen at the end, when he is just simply asking her how was it. He is there for her, fully supporting her with any decision she will take. And she knows that.
Loved Callie through all this episode. She is indeed awesome and I loved seeing her standing up for herself personally and professionally and even more at the end with Arizona, even though that scene had a lot resemblance to that scene in S3 when Burke slams the door into Cristina's face after revealing the tremor to the Chief.
Loved Eli and I am glad that Miranda accepted his invitation. Mark/Lexie fans must be cheering right now.
The Teddy story is so wrong at so many levels and for so many reasons that I don't want to write here. I had a problem with the Izzie - Denny story back in S2, now even more. The were so many other ways to help him. Give him a d**n check. As far as I know cardio-thoracic surgeons are really well paid in US. She would have the money to pay for his treatment. The story plot is plain stupid.
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Post by betinad on Dec 5, 2010 16:08:50 GMT -5
ok, some random thoughts about the episode. What did you think of this episode? I liked it! - Which parts, if any, are worthy of a rewatch and which could you do with never seeing again? rewatch: definitely all Owen scenes and Cristina/Derek ones. I also liked Bailey's moment. Cute.
- What was your favourite thing about this episode (line/character/scene/storyline etc)? And your least favourite? favorite: seeing Owen in badass doctor mode. What I really liked in this episode is that Owen seems - when in doctor mode - completely in control of the current situation. Here we have little glimpses that show that he is dead worry about Cristina all the time.
Him talking to Meredith was long due. I am glad that he finally did it. It is very clear that they dont know each other and they don't trust each other.
Cristina and Meredith scene at Mer's house. Mer was never a favorite character for me, cause she is too self centered and like to be in the victim role - too much for my liking - , and I think she showed her self centered attitude here again when she missed the opportunity to talk with Cristina. If she is so concern about her friend (not about her not having her friend at work) she should take the opportunity and really try to talk with her.
I loved Cristina and Derek scenes. it was great to see Cristina being Cristina and Derek just simply helping her to try to find herself again. beautiful!
Final Owen/Cristina scene: this will need to be as favorite and not favorite . It showed again Owen worrying about Cristina (I think he was trying to contain himself from calling her in that scene) . But I was expecting him to see the picture with her or something ...
on a general note, I couldn't help but think that Ellen Pompeo is the weakest actor in the top four (Mer, Der, Owen, Cristina). There was something about the scene when she confronts Owen that was missing...(from an acting point of view)
in the no-favorite scenes, Jackson, April and Lexie scenes were too long for fillers. Alex and Callie, as much as I like them separate, didn't make it for me . Glad to see Alex back in Peds and Callie closing the door in Arizona's face ! The terminally ill patient SL is old, used and plain stupid in my opinion. No matter which character would be linked to that, the basic idea was already done. Too bad seeing Scott Foley in that, cause I like him so much in Felicity!
- What would you rate the episode out of 10? 8
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Post by kaz on Dec 5, 2010 20:56:26 GMT -5
favorite: seeing Owen in badass doctor mode. What I really liked in this episode is that Owen seems - when in doctor mode - completely in control of the current situation. Here we have little glimpses that show that he is dead worry about Cristina all the time.
I loved seeing Owen so in control in the OR like this. We don't always get to see his skill as a trauma surgeon so it was a special treat. I also liked the way he switched from badass trauma surgeon to concerned husband when he was listening to his messages and asked "nothing from my wife"? Cristina is clearly on his mind all the time, despite the fact that (from Meredith's perspective) he is just taking the "do nothing" approach.
Final Owen/Cristina scene: this will need to be as favorite and not favorite . It showed again Owen worrying about Cristina (I think he was trying to contain himself from calling her in that scene) . But I was expecting him to see the picture with her or something ...
I agree with this but also think on the positive side, it's clear that the implication was that Owen WOULD see it. Cristina (in her very quiet Cristina way) was sharing her breakthrough with Owen by putting that photograph up on the refrigerator, rather than hiding it away. She wasn't ashamed of the healing moment that she had and wasn't not telling Owen about it. That's the silver-lining for me out of this short scene.
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Post by betinad on Dec 5, 2010 23:33:34 GMT -5
I agree with this but also think on the positive side, it's clear that the implication was that Owen WOULD see it. Cristina (in her very quiet Cristina way) was sharing her breakthrough with Owen by putting that photograph up on the refrigerator, rather than hiding it away. She wasn't ashamed of the healing moment that she had and wasn't not telling Owen about it. That's the silver-lining for me out of this short scene. I never thought about that. Great point Kaz! it never crossed my mind that she could hide the photo ..
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Dec 6, 2010 8:04:29 GMT -5
I agree with this but also think on the positive side, it's clear that the implication was that Owen WOULD see it. Cristina (in her very quiet Cristina way) was sharing her breakthrough with Owen by putting that photograph up on the refrigerator, rather than hiding it away. She wasn't ashamed of the healing moment that she had and wasn't not telling Owen about it. That's the silver-lining for me out of this short scene. I never thought about that. Great point Kaz! it never crossed my mind that she could hide the photo ..
I think goes back to the Burke talk when he said he needs her to give him something, but at this point I think he knows what she needs more than Meredith.
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