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Post by kaz on May 4, 2011 19:14:32 GMT -5
WEDDING BELLS RING AND FAMILIES COME TOGETHER FOR CALLIE AND ARIZONA'S BIG DAY, ON ABC'S "GREY'S ANATOMY"
"White Wedding" - As Callie and Arizona's wedding approaches, the couple quickly realize that the day they've been looking forward to is not turning out the way they'd envisioned. Meanwhile Alex continues to make the other residents jealous as he appears to be the top contender for Chief Resident, Meredith and Derek make a decision that will change their lives forever, and Dr. Perkins presents Teddy with a very tempting proposition, on Grey's Anatomy," THURSDAY, MAY 5 (9:00-10:01 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
"Grey's Anatomy" stars Ellen Pompeo as Meredith Grey, Patrick Dempsey as Derek Shepherd, Sandra Oh as Cristina Yang, Justin Chambers as Alex Karev, Chandra Wilson as Miranda Bailey, James Pickens, Jr. as Richard Webber, Sara Ramirez as Callie Torres, Eric Dane as Mark Sloan, Chyler Leigh as Lexie Grey, Kevin McKidd as Owen Hunt, Jessica Capshaw as Arizona Robbins, Kim Raver as Teddy Altman, Jesse Williams as Jackson Avery and Sarah Drew as April Kepner.
Guest cast includes Peter MacNicol as Dr. Stark, James Tupper as Andrew Perkins, Denis Arndt as Colonel Robbins, Hector Elizondo as Carlos Torres, Gina Gallego as Lucia Torres, Judith Ivey as Barbara Robbins.
"White Wedding" was written by Stacy McKee and directed by Chandra Wilson.
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Post by ruralstar on May 5, 2011 21:24:15 GMT -5
Kaz, good to see you back in a limited capacity. I don't know if you started last week's thread as I didn't post
Overall I didn't find too many surprises in tonight's episode. I enjoyed it more than last week's, though I'm still wondering why Kevin has been bascially MIA for months now. And next week's promo had me wondering what sorts of drugs the writers are smoking, but anyway...
- On the whole, did you like or dislike this episode?
I thought this was a decent ep. Loved seeing everyone all dressed up for the wedding.
- What would you like to have seen more of? And less of?
More of Owen and Cristina. Less of Avery and his mice. He just bores the hell out of me.
- Favourite line/scene/storyline?
My favorite parts of the episode centered around Callie and Az. Good thing as it was their episode really. It was predictable that at least one of Callie's parents would not support her wedding. I'm actually glad the writer chose the mother since we had already seen so much negativity with the father. I loved that he came back to dance with his daughter. Made it her moment no matter what hell he might pay later. Mark comforting Az over her brother was a nice jumping off point for a real future friendship. Bailey's conversation with Callie was very genuine. No false drama just from the heart. Nice.
- What would you rate the episode out of 10?
7
- Will you watch this episode again?
Probably.
Additional observations:
April is pretty clumsy in the way she relates to all of her superiors. Stark was never easy even before he tried to date her. And most of her peers really don't take her seriously. Giving her a title isn't going to change that. She is very dedicated to her patients but I don't think she's Cheif Resident material just yet.
Alex is a suck up. He may have pulled off something spectacular but he is just as devoid of people skills as Kepner. Of the two I would prefer her over him and that's saying something.
Derek suddenly wanting to adopt the baby seems pretty hasty. He's ready, Meredith isn't. When Meredith's deception comes out he may regret his now legal marriage as well. Bout d**n time but a bit of a cheat to long time fans of the Mer/Cris friendship. She should have been there even though the ceremony was only a quickie.
Speaking of Cris.... So what happened to all the growing she's done in the last two years? She honestly doesn't see how she can be reckless? In the past her attitude would have made sense but she's seen too much (the shooting) and gone through too much with Owen (PTSD) to be so single minded. The argument that this is Cristina being Cristina doesn't wash anymore. Becoming Cheif Resident is still all about climbing the ladder for Cris. She doesn't have the patient care skills, the empathy or the ability to relate to peers and superiors with consideration. Those are qualities for a leader in a medical field. Not the d**n the torpedos approach. I feel bad for Sandra Oh. They've given her such wonderful material in the early part of the season and then reverted back to mediocrity as they flounder towards some huge critical decision in the season finale. It's hard to care anymore when viewing the idiotic outburst Cristina spews at the wedding. Teddy is right, she still doesn't get it. Maybe she won't until someone dies as a result of her recklessness. We've already been down this defiance road with Cris and Owen last year. This is just plot rehash at this point. Pure laziness on the part of the writers and ultimately Shonda Rhimes.
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Post by ella1967 on May 5, 2011 21:29:31 GMT -5
Maybe I should rely on the questions for this review since I was left feeling slightly queasy by the end. As happy as I was for Callie and Arizona, it felt undercut by the old 'you can't pray away the gay' piece of the parental reaction and by being literally intercut with Meredith and Derek's courthouse licensing process. At least Owen and Cristina didn't have to share their wedding with anyone else. I like Owen as peacemaker. He's tough but fair, honest but straightforward. He gives both Cristina and Teddy good advice. I like how Owen remains on Team Cristina even as her edges fray and more bumps in the road seem to be visible in the distance. I don't like the way they're pressuring Cristina to regress into surgery hungry animal mode. As much as I know there's no drama in Cristina and Teddy just talking it out, it's really what I would rather see instead of Cristina hopped up on Webber's comments lashing out and Teddy a little drunky-poo. Re: Cristina - I had high hopes based on the storylines she'd had this season so far - stepping into her marriage, stepping away from career in order to redefine it for herself, showing compassion for others in ways that would have been counterintuitive to Cristina in the past. It really seems like they're pressuring her into a corner and I still think it's so that Cristina and Owen's SF storyline will have us wondering into the summer how scattershot Cristina will respond to what many of us have speculated will occur in that episode. I just wish I felt like I could connect the dots. I liked the shark attack/feeding frenzy of all the residents crowded around Owen at the reception. It felt real even with Alex literally taking the glass out of Owen's hand. Can't say I'm feeling much about Meredith and Derek adopting Zola and marrying in order to do so. She's a cute baby and I want them to be happy but it's hard to buy into it knowing the specter of Meredith's switching of the trial meds is lingering.
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Post by ruralstar on May 5, 2011 22:00:31 GMT -5
Maybe I should rely on the questions for this review since I was left feeling slightly queasy by the end. As happy as I was for Callie and Arizona, it felt undercut by the old 'you can't pray away the gay' piece of the parental reaction and by being literally intercut with Meredith and Derek's courthouse licensing process. At least Owen and Cristina didn't have to share their wedding with anyone else. I like Owen as peacemaker. He's tough but fair, honest but straightforward. He gives both Cristina and Teddy good advice. I like how Owen remains on Team Cristina even as her edges fray and more bumps in the road seem to be visible in the distance. I don't like the way they're pressuring Cristina to regress into surgery hungry animal mode. As much as I know there's no drama in Cristina and Teddy just talking it out, it's really what I would rather see instead of Cristina hopped up on Webber's comments lashing out and Teddy a little drunky-poo. Re: Cristina - I had high hopes based on the storylines she'd had this season so far - stepping into her marriage, stepping away from career in order to redefine it for herself, showing compassion for others in ways that would have been counterintuitive to Cristina in the past. It really seems like they're pressuring her into a corner and I still think it's so that Cristina and Owen's SF storyline will have us wondering into the summer how scattershot Cristina will respond to what many of us have speculated will occur in that episode. I just wish I felt like I could connect the dots. I liked the shark attack/feeding frenzy of all the residents crowded around Owen at the reception. It felt real even with Alex literally taking the glass out of Owen's hand. Can't say I'm feeling much about Meredith and Derek adopting Zola and marrying in order to do so. She's a cute baby and I want them to be happy but it's hard to buy into it knowing the specter of Meredith's switching of the trial meds is lingering. I didn't like Alex taking the glass out of Owen's hand. That was presumptious. He's not getting sloshed for pity sakes, he just having a celebratory cocktail or two. Was really a bit much for Alex to even imply that Owen needed to be reminded of his responsibilities.
Not the right thread for baby spec re Owen/Cris. FTR however, I really hope that's not the case. Just a lame way to set up discord between Cris and a possibly disgraced Meredith. Among many other issues. Cris is being written very poorly already. If she honestly thinks Owen is going to cave to her demands just because she's withholding sex then she's more juvenile than I thought. Geez.
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Post by ella1967 on May 5, 2011 22:15:58 GMT -5
I didn't like Alex taking the glass out of Owen's hand. That was presumptious. He's not getting sloshed for pity sakes, he just having a celebratory cocktail or two. Was really a bit much for Alex to even imply that Owen needed to be reminded of his responsibilities. It felt like a moment of old competitive Alex rather than how he'd been portrayed as the sainted saver of needy children. He was showing a bit of why he pulled the idea out of his butt to begin with in that moment. And I liked Owen's doubletake too. I think he was thinking back to Webber being stalked outside the restroom a couple of episodes ago. Cris is being written very poorly already. If she honestly thinks Owen is going to cave to her demands just because she's withholding sex then she's more juvenile than I thought. Geez. Maybe she's trying to focus her energies into work rather than getting sidetracked by her sexy husband. At least it's less harmful than Meredith's belief she knows best with the clinical trial. Besides, we know she's not going to last at withholding sex. It's Owen and Cristina, for crying out loud.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 6, 2011 16:02:17 GMT -5
Honestly I really like Callie, but I am growing sicker of Callie, Arizona and Mark with every episode. As an OC fan, I am kind of bitter that we still don't have the quality of scenes that Callie and Arizona got to have with their parents and Owen's mom remains just a face in the crowd. The whole writing of the characters in those scenes were very predictable, Callie's dad came around, AZ's mom is the typical proud grandma, Callie's mom and AZ's dad are the old school parents who would rather be at a real wedding. Whatever. It is all kind of contrived for me. I agree with Ella that the whole message of their wedding was seemingly under cut by the legal marriage of Mer/Der in the end. Also I am still annoyed at how fast the recovery process was, we had to deal with Cristina's PTSD for months, but Callie and the baby heal immediately. Alex/Meredith This is kind of contrived as well, but I like the idea of it. Alex and Mer are basically brother and sister by this point, and he is the kind of guy that will let you know when you do right or wrong. I like that she has Alex's voice in her ear, I know that Cristina would be donig the same thing as Alex, but this is kind of reminiscent of Tremorgate with Burke, except that Derek doesn't know about it. Its something that could overlap into next season, though I can picture people getting bored with it depending on how it is resolved. Mer/Der I am with Ella that I kind of think the baby/marriage scenario is also too contrived. While I agree the baby is cute and can see why Derek is so charmed, etc. I kind of expected a bit more resistance from Meredith. I really hope that we see them actually going through a lengthy process which would be realistic, than them magically being handed a baby, etc. Also they get credit from me for wanting to take on a special needs baby, as I have a couple friends with spina bifida and its no walk in the park, but a tthe same time, her name reminds me of Zoloft LOL Teddy/Cristina Can we please move on from this? We have gone through Cristina not being taught enough times before. I get Teddy's point, but I don't think she's right and she's going about it the wrong way. She should be angrier at Owen and the Chief for taking Cristina's side. Cristina is right that Teddy has a bruised ego and she is not a great teacher because good teachers allow their students to grow and are also willing to hear their suggestions if it means saving a life. I remember Owen and AZ and a case with Alex where he took the inititaive with a patient and they totally went along with his idea. I suppose this means Teddy is ok with Callie possibly dying based on her own decision not to do Cristina's suggestion? Whatever. At this piont Teddy is messing intentionally with Cristina's career and that to me is just vindictive and really shows how Teddy is not the right teacher for Cristina. I really hope she moves on let her move to Germany. Cristina/Owen First I gotta say that when the Chief said to Cristina that he always thought she'd be the top choice for Cheif Resident that was like rubbing salt in my wounds, I wanted Cristina to ask him "Then why did you have Owen choose the CR?" Its shondaland. I kind of wish the Chief would take notice of Teddy's vendetta against Cristina, because both Owen and The Chief decided on Cristina's procedure in the end. Teddy should be angry at them instead of Cristina, who was trying to save her friend's life and was putting the patient first. To me it seems like Owen still does not know how to be supportive of Cristina's career, I mean at least he told Teddy she was being harsh, but I don't think he realizes that he is partly to blame and that his friend is really ruining his wife's chances of furthering her career inspite of him having to choose Cheif Resident. Again, whatever. Stark/April Stark has grown on me more than Teddy who will never grow on me. I like that he reccomended April, but I think that will be what we think is going to happen as far as CR. I kind of disagreed with Owen at the wedding stating outloud that April is in the running. Its not their business as to who he is considering, even if he is buddies with them. I also think this would have been a better episode to have Addison in if they wanted to do a cross over, she's friends with Callie and would have gone to the wedding, etc. The musical episode was such a waste in that regard. Anyway it gets about a 5 from me, I really don't like how they are writing Cristina My poor Sandra Oh.
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Post by trinity on May 6, 2011 17:23:11 GMT -5
Mer/Der I am with Ella that I kind of think the baby/marriage scenario is also too contrived. While I agree the baby is cute and can see why Derek is so charmed, etc. I kind of expected a bit more resistance from Meredith. I really hope that we see them actually going through a lengthy process which would be realistic, than them magically being handed a baby, etc. Also they get credit from me for wanting to take on a special needs baby, as I have a couple friends with spina bifida and its no walk in the park, but a tthe same time, her name reminds me of Zoloft LOL
If there was Cristina and Owen in this situation with Owen with the same enthusiasm that Derek had, people would say that he is trying to change Cristina's mind and doesn't care about her career. But in Mer/Der's case all is ignored as long as they see them with the baby. (Mer clearly has some reservations regarding this matter).Mmmkay moving on.. I think Owen has been supportive enough with Cristina's career. The point is that most viewers want Owen to demand and yell at Teddy to put Cristina back on her service. Which he won't do. He is trying in a diplomat way to mediate a conflict between Cristina and Teddy.. He was honest and straightforward with each of them, even giving hints to Teddy of how she could indeed make Cristina listen and get the point of her so valuable lesson.
Cristina needs to know that she can be reckless sometimes and that could have repercussions on her career, but Teddy is not doing it in the right way. It's been three months, it's clearly not working with Cristina, change the method.. The stupid thing is that she is sticking to it, waiting for different results, because she does indeed have her ego bruised.
But I don't think Owen can be held responsible for ruining Cristina's chances. He told Teddy she was harsh, because in Callie's case he considered that Cristina's method was worth being tried. He advocated for her and for going back to the OR. The thing is that Cristina can be reckless - but this was not the case. In this particular case Cristina happens to be right. So Teddy has no one to blame here, just accept that Cristina was right this time, but also tell her that her tendency to be reckless might cost her a lot some day.
I think Owen handled the situation very well, supporting Cristina but being honest to both of the parties involved in the conflict. What most viewers want to see is Owen clearly favoring Cristina, even when it comes to work, which will never happen, because Owen is not that way. Owen didn't say he is considering someone, he just reminded to those present, that even April is a strong candidate for CR. He didn't express any favoritism towards any resident. Just saying that she shouldn't be ignored by the others.
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Post by Leanne on May 7, 2011 2:01:37 GMT -5
Not sure I enjoyed this Epi as much as I have others in the past 1. Once again a marriage which isnt legal 2. Ok so Mer and Der finally got past the Post it yay I think you guys are all way to good with you speculations quite a few coming true by the looks of it Best moments Stark and Ill have to say the only part I really enjoyed Owen and Cris well I think Trinity has hit the nail on the head about Owen dealing with this all diplomatically and probably what we as fans would prefer but we just don't seem to have a rocking storyline for these two ~ these characters feel to much on the outside to me
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