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Post by trinity on Aug 7, 2012 16:42:43 GMT -5
It could go this way as browncoatwhit and karen suggested that Owen would get the opportunity to be a sort of dad for Sophia. Mark will be gone, Arizona badly injured and maybe paralysed. Owen had a very sweet scene with Sophia last season, but no scenes with Zola that would bring him joy, it was just pain looking at Cristina being all loving with Zola. It is possible that Owen can step up and support both Callie as well as Meredith as hopew speculated before, and help them take care of their babies in a way. Besides Owen being a chief, with Cristina away this could fill the void in his personal life, having something to do after work, being a dad in Shonda´s twisted vision and to build up his friendship with Callie and hopefully will see Meredith realising her judgement of Owen is all kinds of wrong and evil. I would love to see this. Owen has some making up to do in the eyes of the viewers. This would help. Plus, would make Cristina's heart ache...make her think maybe. I would like that for once someone would actually do something for him (other than Cristina) not only the other way around. Seems like everyone is expecting for Owen to do something for each character in that show. Just my 2 cents on this.
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Post by thedoc617 on Aug 7, 2012 18:26:08 GMT -5
Hmmm. I feel as if the firehouse has always been a symbol for CO- kinda like that scene last season about rebuilding hearts from scratch- like frames of a house. We all know the state the firehouse was in when they bought it- and they turned it into a home.
I like to think that maybe Cristina/Meredith are there packing or just maybe Cristina's reminiscing- because maybe Owen's in a big meeting going over Cheif duties- like how he's going to fill positions with 5 doctors on medical leave. (and the Mark leaving...) and one resident RIP.
Clutching straws, guys. Not gonna give up hope!
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Aug 7, 2012 23:05:49 GMT -5
Cant see meredith being that emotionally stable to be helping cristina pack. But i could see Cristina 'babysitting' Mer due to her grief over lexie if that makes sense
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Aug 8, 2012 2:58:24 GMT -5
Could totally see mer having ptsd (yawn) and derek asking cristina to keep her close as he heals or something. Then in a wierd way OC kind of are in godparent mode with zola as mer deals (or doesnt deal) with lexie's death
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Post by mesilla on Aug 8, 2012 9:14:07 GMT -5
Could totally see mer having ptsd (yawn) and derek asking cristina to keep her close as he heals or something. Then in a wierd way OC kind of are in godparent mode with zola as mer deals (or doesnt deal) with lexie's death I think you are right. I originally thought that Cristina would be taking care of Zola a lot, but with her being in mayo I wonder if it will fall more to Owen. And trinity I agree that people rarely do anything for Owen. I was just saying that from a non Owen fan perspective (and unfortunately last season helped create some of those) it would be good to see him in a strong, nurturing, emotional rock kind of role. Plus Owen plus babies...winning. :-)
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Post by trinity on Aug 8, 2012 10:18:35 GMT -5
And trinity I agree that people rarely do anything for Owen. I was just saying that from a non Owen fan perspective (and unfortunately last season helped create some of those) it would be good to see him in a strong, nurturing, emotional rock kind of role. Plus Owen plus babies...winning. :-) He has always been in that strong, nurting, emotional role. But people fail to see that - even less with what happened last season. I would care less what they think about him. Owen will be hated no matter what he does or doesn't do... What I really wanna see is Cristina and Owen fighting for their marriage, both of them not only one of them. That's what I'm interesed in, not Owen taking care of a whole kindergarden - just because he has to some making up to do in some fans' eyes. He made a terrible mistake, he took responsability for it, he's not a terrible guy and he doesn't need to be punished a whole season for that.
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Post by mesilla on Aug 8, 2012 10:57:57 GMT -5
ITA. I want him to experience fatherhood in some way. He deserves it and if scenes with Sophia or Zola can fulfil him, I would like to see them although they could be painful to watch. Last season I speculated that there could be a storyline where he can bond with a little kid/patient, who could be an orphan or be abused and Owen can help him heal physically and mentally. I believe this could be a powerful storyline for KMK as an actor, very close to his heart. Totally possible and would be so fun to watch!! If not, no worries. But I think it would be a great storyline in itself, not to mention the conversations that it would ultimately force between C/O.
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Post by justine on Aug 8, 2012 14:35:45 GMT -5
Hi, were catching up ! Had been travelling around for a while with weak wifi connection...
I have read somewhere that CO story line for this season will be dragged on like last season ! What do you think ?
How many episodes with no CO scenes together as Crsitina will be at Mayo and Owen at Seattle ? My bet until episode 8 or 9 excepted episode 2 !
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Post by smilla on Aug 9, 2012 14:44:17 GMT -5
Hi! I am new here. But I am obsessed with CO. as much as many of you are right in not believing Rhimes, I feel like CO will be ok in S9. It wont happen quickly and thats ok, because they were slowly destroyed and patching up everything quickly wouldnt be realistic and would also mean LACK OF ROMANCE. Rhimes likes to play the audience, but after killing off Lexie (even if Leigh wanted to go) and Dane leaving (dead or alive) she is aware of losing MANY fans. So she cant afford to piss the audience off even more. Her last chance are CO. And she will play out these cards. I promise you that. Yes, she said extraordinary growth. But she never said it would happen in S8. She cant annoy CO fans an entire season, just to continue an entire new one. Not even Rhimes can afford it. So she will put them back together again. I see no baby though. Even if I wish like hell. But since Mer and Arizona made up their minds in terms of kids, I dont see Yang doing so. Especially not after they already introduced 2 pregnancies for her. No. She will put him front seat in her life. That will be her compromise and he will accept her not wanting kids and realize she is more important in his life than kids. Thats how I think.
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Post by smilla on Aug 9, 2012 14:44:32 GMT -5
Hi! I am new here. But I am obsessed with CO. as much as many of you are right in not believing Rhimes, I feel like CO will be ok in S9. It wont happen quickly and thats ok, because they were slowly destroyed and patching up everything quickly wouldnt be realistic and would also mean LACK OF ROMANCE. Rhimes likes to play the audience, but after killing off Lexie (even if Leigh wanted to go) and Dane leaving (dead or alive) she is aware of losing MANY fans. So she cant afford to piss the audience off even more. Her last chance are CO. And she will play out these cards. I promise you that. Yes, she said extraordinary growth. But she never said it would happen in S8. She cant annoy CO fans an entire season, just to continue an entire new one. Not even Rhimes can afford it. So she will put them back together again. I see no baby though. Even if I wish like hell. But since Mer and Arizona made up their minds in terms of kids, I dont see Yang doing so. Especially not after they already introduced 2 pregnancies for her. No. She will put him front seat in her life. That will be her compromise and he will accept her not wanting kids and realize she is more important in his life than kids. Thats how I think.
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Post by hopew on Aug 9, 2012 17:26:04 GMT -5
Hi! I am new here. But I am obsessed with CO. as much as many of you are right in not believing Rhimes, I feel like CO will be ok in S9. It wont happen quickly and thats ok, because they were slowly destroyed and patching up everything quickly wouldnt be realistic and would also mean LACK OF ROMANCE. Rhimes likes to play the audience, but after killing off Lexie (even if Leigh wanted to go) and Dane leaving (dead or alive) she is aware of losing MANY fans. So she cant afford to piss the audience off even more. Her last chance are CO. And she will play out these cards. I promise you that. Yes, she said extraordinary growth. But she never said it would happen in S8. She cant annoy CO fans an entire season, just to continue an entire new one. Not even Rhimes can afford it. So she will put them back together again. I see no baby though. Even if I wish like hell. But since Mer and Arizona made up their minds in terms of kids, I dont see Yang doing so. Especially not after they already introduced 2 pregnancies for her. No. She will put him front seat in her life. That will be her compromise and he will accept her not wanting kids and realize she is more important in his life than kids. Thats how I think. Hi smilla - welcome to the conversation! I agree with you. I don't trust what Shonda says, but I do think she is a smart business woman. She will have unhappy fans because of the end of Lexie and Mark (however Mark gets written off the show). She can't afford to infuriate her ENTIRE fan base, and she has to know how close to the edge she pushed C/O fans last season. With Mark and Lexie gone, she is left with three established couples: C/O, Mer/Der and Callie/Arizona. Last year two of the three had "drama" (C/O's problems and Mer/Der's adoption story); Callie and Arizona were just happy all season. This year we know Mer/Der will have "drama" in the form of Derek's injury and recuperation and Callie/Arizona will have "drama" in the form of Arizona's injury (I don't believe for a minute she will die) and their adjustment to the death or departure of Mark. I think that, after some delay of course, C/O will be the happy couple this year. Or as happy as she ever lets them get! Shonda can get plenty of "will they or won't they" drama out of Jackson and April, and/or Alex and whoever they bring in for him. I also agree that Cristina will not change her mind about children. I think Cristina and Owen as parents will, unfortunately, be something we only see in fan fiction. I've said before that the pattern seems to be that C/O have had relatively good seasons in odd numbered years (Seasons 5 and 7) and bad, sometimes very bad, seasons in even numbered years (Seasons 6 and 8). We're entering Season 9. I don't trust Shonda, but like you I am still hopeful for C/O this season!
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Post by llindssey_CO on Aug 12, 2012 13:13:47 GMT -5
I hate that they are working at different hospitals, in different states. Sorry to be a debbie downer..lol.. I just want more scenes..moving forward, working on that growth..finding there way back to each other, better not take till 9x20.. I understand it'll take time, but how much time is Shonda willing to spend on them each episode...3 less characters.. i'm exspecting a lot, afraid will get a little.. I heard KMK said(?) what he hoped would happen hasn't in the first 2 eps? but it still hopefull?
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Post by thedoc617 on Aug 12, 2012 16:13:18 GMT -5
My assumption is that the fact that Debbie Allen and Rob Corn are in the firehouse (with seemingly no furniture has moved- Debbie Allen is sitting on their leather ottoman at the foot of the bed.) To me that means that the firehouse wont be going anywhere. If Owen was moving, he'd surely start to pack up stuff. Trying to be hopeful!
I think in chat what Kevin said about what he hopes would happen in the first 2 eps, maybe he was talking about how he hoped Owen would be parachuting in and saving them all.
P.s. welcome smilla!
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Post by justine on Aug 15, 2012 6:21:24 GMT -5
I have some thoughts for the first half of season 9 regarding CO.
We have been spoiled that Cristina will end up in Mayo as she decided and Owen will stay at Seattle and still be COS.
Cristina will come out alive from the plane crash and will not deal with her trauma at all in her typically Cristina's way. I think that we will see her taking tremendous risks with her own life and others. Some survivors from traumatic events react as they would be indestructable and can survive to everything. Derek in SP season 7 showed similar synthom but it turned out that the writers in their irregular writings ( I am being politically correct here) decided not to explore further this story line for Derek.
As for Owen, we may see him burry himself in work in order to forget his pain. I can even picture him taking distance emotionally from Cristina. He had been hurt more than once in his relationship with Cristina, he had battled for her more than once, he had been the one who gave in every time and I can see him trying to protect himself from being hurt again, he will shield himself.
Me too wish to see Cristina fighting for Owen, for their marriage. Over 3 seasons long, she has been the one who takes and never bends and gives back. She is doing to Owen what Burke did to her. And she is the one who is leaving. And for 8 seasons long, she has been teached by cardio teachers that never instructed without taking something from her (Burke) or trying to bend her (Hahn) or trying to steal something from and bending her at the same time (Teddy). Both of them had been UNTRUTHFULL and DISHONEST pseudo mentors to Cristina. This time, will she have a loyal and honest mentor who will teach her because of her outstanding talent as a surgeon wihtout asking her nothing in exchange but BEING A DOCTOR and A REALLY GOOD ONE ?
If CO will find their way back to each other as Shonda said ( my dear CO fellow shippers, please do not dream for it before at least episode...23 in the best of the case...and the worst...episode 24... It is sarcasm, LOL ! ) then, what is going to be of Meredith ? She is the undealt third wheel in CO relationship and as well their trouble talker. We lashed on Teddy but we forget to analyse Meredith's doings in CO relationship and marriage. Are we going to see Cristina and Meredith arguing in the 2nd half of season 9 so that CO can face each other again ? Further to the last spoilers, its seems that Cristina and Meredith ar having a rough moment. What if Meredith is the one who will call Cristina about her crappy selfish self ? After the crash, the survivors will try to recover and heal with the help of their friends and colleagues in Seattle, while Cristina keeps on with her plan to leave to Mayo. This is maybe the big growth Shonda promises for Meredith and Cristine will keep ducking her head in her crappy self ? Up from then, It will be maybe the cold war between them ? In order for CO to see each other again, any kind of interference should be taken off between them.
But, there is something that make me very uneasy, the way that Meredith sees Cristina, like Cristina is another Elise Grey and not Cristina Yang anymore. It is like Meredith is projecting on Cristina all that could had been her relationship with her own mother, the great surgeon, Elise Grey. I don't know if Shonda and co will deal with this issue which is obvious for us but can not be a problem at all for them. The writers never allowed Cristina to deal with Teddy regarding her trying to win Owen's affection over her student and Teddy's taking part on how Henry Burton ended in Cristina's OR ! They save Teddy character by making Owen fired her, brave move, Shonda ! Teddy will never have to face the falling out of her actions...and they killed off Lexie ! Really Shonda, what an ..s ! I would prefer you to ship off Mark and Lexie together in another hospital ! But hey at least, Teddy is gone ! I am not going to complain and miss her, are you ? Sorry, I am drifting away from my point !
And could it be that Owen will be the one who will bring Cristina back to Meredith as Dereck was the one who brought Meredith back to Cristina in season 5 to end their fight ? Hummmm...this can wait for SP season 10 or even better SF season 10, pretty please Shonda ? I strongly believe that Cristina and Meredith need to spend time apart as well. Season 5 and 7 had not been long enough and they did not deal with any of their issues in their friendchip. So does it mean that we may see the rift between Cristina and Meredith unconditional friendship ?
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Post by llindssey_CO on Aug 15, 2012 20:02:38 GMT -5
I don't think Owen would ask Cristina to come back for Meredith IMO....It's not all about her needs..Cristina is gonna have to decide if she likes working in a new hospital, away from what she's use to, ..and If she likes the long distance relashionship, not just w/Mer & Owen..But with everyone she knows.. She's going to be on her own, living alone a lot because she's in another state. Seeing her just living w/Surgery.. no one around..Maybe Cristina will see there is more to life..I'm not saying she'll do a 180 and want a baby..but maybe Cris will learn how to have that balance of career and a life outside the hospital. When you go through changes, you learn things. So either eventually, She'll move back, or Owen will move there.. He'd follow her anywhere. We know that..
Either way, I'm looking for Mer to have nothing to do with any of it ( I love Cristina and Mer's friendship..But Mer really upsets me with how she talks to Owen behind Cristinas back..He's nothing but nice to her. -_- She dosen't get them, that makes her jealous. )
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Post by llindssey_CO on Aug 15, 2012 20:08:22 GMT -5
((Also want to add..I rolled my eyes at them pictures of sandra and ellen on set.. Cris/Mer scene already has me upset just by the body language. I'm not over the "Ur still my person even if i'm not yours" are you 5? You were just in a plane crash, and it's all about Mer.. From the min. she got up off the ground...ugh..sorry, im bitter ))
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Post by ella1967 on Aug 17, 2012 9:37:41 GMT -5
Hey y'all - you've been busy so, just a few speculative thoughts to add to the mix.
My only response to Mer - I think she, post-crash, will be trying to keep all her ducks in a row as her fancy future in Boston shatters around her rather than deal with Derek's injury and Lexie's death. Rumors of an argument between Mer and Alex in 9.1 has me thinking she will try to make him stay put when he intends to go to Johns Hopkins in that epi. I also think the scene outside the firehouse of Mer yelling at Cristina, who looks very scared, sad, shut down, will be her attempt to keep Cris in Seattle. She will be doing this for her own security, not to support her friends' needs.
While I am sad at the idea of Cris going to Mayo, I don't believe it will be a season-long spin-off for her within Grey's. I do think it will mostly provide anvils which will lead her home to Owen. It may also be a place of temporary safety post-crash for Cristina, who may be as undone by the crash as she was by the shooting. Given the place of vulnerability both she and Owen were at in their marriage as S.8 drew to a close, medicine may feel like a straight forward way to regain her identity. Maybe Owen sees that for her too, knows how he himself clung to medicine in his own PTSD response to traumatic loss in S.5, while also remembering how Cris lead him home then and he may try to do that for her now?
Yet we don't really know anything about how Cris ends up at Mayo. We don't know anything about how she and Owen leave things before she gets in the car. We have some hints about how Cristina may be experiencing PTSD symptoms again. We have heard from Kevin repeatedly how the crash may be a reset button for Cris and Owen both, how it may take their relationship to the next level. I take it as a very good sign Owen is wearing his ring in 9.1, which takes place 2-3 months post-crash. Maybe they are doing a long distance attempt at marriage, find some healing through Owen visiting her in a new place, going on dates there, phone calls back and forth in between?
I've also pondered whether their temporary geographic separation in S.9 - the season of romance that will bring them back together IMO - will be about PTSD along with miscommunication, assumptions about the others' emotional state and what they need out of life. Owen talked a lot second half of S.8 about wanting babies and Cris talked a lot second half of S.8 about boards, career. We then heard someone who shall remain nameless tell Cris that Owen should be with someone who wants babies, that she should be with someone who wants her - also hints about how that person who shall remain nameless doesn't yet get the import of CO's relationship for each of them.
(Of course, I also wonder whether those snarky comments from that person who shall remain nameless, or persona non grata, is really an anvil for CO on into S.9 yet I think I need to work on that theory a bit before I post it...)
A parallel universe in which Cris gets anvil after anvil delivered to her while being a super-doc in MN is an expensive proposition that can only be sustained for so long. Unless they hire Ben Kingsley or someone with equal star power to play her mentor in MN, I think it will be a very temporary situation. Likewise, I think we will see Owen delivering the care and concern he wants to provide to Cristina post-crash to their friends and colleagues and as much as he wants to support them, his heart will be with Cristina. So we will see Cris and Owen, geographically separated or not, working their way back to each other individually and together.
Through this process Cris and Owen will regain enough strength to be able to fight for them, for their marriage, and then will be the figuring out of will she return home, how to do so, etc. It will be about their marriage - not Cris and Mer's friendship or Zola or anything else - that will get Cris and Owen back under the same roof in their fire house, fighting for them in S.9. And to me that is the very definition of CO romance.
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Post by hopew on Aug 17, 2012 12:59:34 GMT -5
ella - I think you and I are basically in agreement here. I don't expect Cristina to be at Mayo too far into the season, for the reasons you gave. Too expensive, too distracting, not a complete context for Cristina unless they really build a separate hospital staff and relationships (like the mentor you mentioned) for just Cristina. I just can't see them keeping Cristina out of the mainstream in Seattle for very long.
I also think this geographic separation may turn out to be good for C/O, although frustrating for us because it will mean not many (any?) C/O scenes for the early part of the season (or at least after the flashbacks to the immediate aftermath of the crash in 9.2, which may be the moment we get to cry some of the "happy tears" that Kevin referred to in the chat a couple a weeks ago). I think, as you do, that they can be working on their marriage while physically separated; in fact, given their past history of burying their problems in sex and avoiding real communication when they are together, separation may be exactly what they need. If they want to maintain a connection with each other (and I believe that they both do want that) they will have to learn to talk.
"You can't tell Cristina Yang anything; she has to learn it" is one of the few things Teddy ever said that I agreed with. Being at Mayo, living apart from her husband, her friends and her colleagues, she will have a chance to "learn" what it is like to have only her work in her life. I predict she'll "learn" that surgery is not enough, and that she wants and needs more from life than just being a cardio-goddess. Owen will have willingly, if reluctantly, supported her decision to go to Mayo, because he will understand that she needs to "learn" for herself what life is like with only surgery. Mer will oppose the decision, because Mer will want Cristina's help to deal with Derek's injury, Lexie's death, and Zola. IMO, we will see more of a rift between Mer and Cris than we will between Owen and Cris at the beginning of the season, although that may be wishful thinking on my part. I admit I am one of the people who is more than a little tired of the Twisted Sister/BFF/"you're my person" co-dependent relationship between Mer and Cris.
Cristina and Owen will find each other again, this season. Hopefully by mid-season at the latest - - I don't want to deal with a whole season of them being apart. A season with little or no Kevin and Sandra together on screen would be too disappointing. I think Shonda knows that; I think we won't have to wait that long. JMHO.
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Post by thedoc617 on Aug 17, 2012 20:38:04 GMT -5
Just adding my guesses, a possible CO scene in 901 /email, letter/, certainly there is at least one in 903, the phone call /sides seem to point to it/. What phone call are we speaking of? I just remember 9X03 sides everybody getting worried b/c of the realtor/apraiser.
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Post by trinity on Aug 18, 2012 10:54:04 GMT -5
A season with little or no Kevin and Sandra together on screen would be too disappointing. I think Shonda knows that; I think we won't have to wait that long. JMHO. This is another reason why I also believe Cristina won't be at Mayo for too much time, unless Owen moves there with here - which I don't quite see happening. One thing that Shonda knows is how great Sandra and Kevin are together on screen. She can only do so many scenes with Cristina and Owen separated only talking on the phone. She will want them together in the same place having scenes together. She will loose a lot having Cristina and Owen physically separated for too long. At this point I believe the main reason Cristina is leaving for Mayo is so she won't have to deal with the whole tragedy after the plane crash: Lexie's death, Mark's death as well (as Hope I do believe he will die), etc. Going in another place it will make her avoing dealing with her own trauma. She's doing what she said she would in S8F "get out of there and leave Seattle Grace as far as possible". She will again repress all her emotions and focus entirely on her work. But there is only so long she can do that. At some point "her emotional wreckage" will come back and she will have to deal with it. And she will be in a place where she will have no one else to lean on but herself. She will have what she had said so long she wanted: complete focus on her career. And what she will experience might not be what she expected, she will hopefully realize that only her career is not enough anymore and will truly understand the impact her own actions had on Owen and their marriage. Because IMO up this moment she is still not aware of her own mistakes and how those affected her marriage. As HopeW - I too believe that physical separation might be what Cristina and Owen might need at this moment. This will push both of them to talk to each other. Owen will support her decision because he loves her that much to understand that Cristina might to learn some things by herself. And he will want what is best for her career. And he will support her from afar while she is at Mayo but he will also wait for her to come back when she will be ready. Mer will want Cristina to stay for own her personal reasons, because she will want Cristina's help to cope with her own mess. HopeW you are not the only one being more than just a little tired of this co-dependency between Cristina and Meredith. It's wrong and unhealthy and I'd hope that something will change between them this season. Wishfull thinking. Owen and Cristina will find their way back, it depends how it's done and how long it takes.
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