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Post by S5fan on Sept 28, 2012 13:55:04 GMT -5
I was hoping for less mer/cris interaction. Now they are more co-dependent on each other than ever. This is scary truth from the premiere. They constantly communicated, 3 times a day.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Sept 28, 2012 14:43:24 GMT -5
Seriously -- ONLY 3 times a day? That's remarkably restrained for Meredith, isn't it? I'd expect her to be whipping out the i-Pad during every potty break, to sit with her during lunch, maybe be walking down the hallway and chatting in between surgeries... Anyone have teenage girls in the house? Same sort of thing... (I'd entirely buy that the upcoming car crash ep should revolve around Meredith trying to drive and video-chat with Cristina at the same time... )
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Post by S5fan on Sept 28, 2012 15:00:48 GMT -5
I think Rhimes definitely has to change CM direction this season. E. Pompeo publicly expressed her disappointment with the fact how CM friendship is not healthy, yesterday I believe P. Dempsey supported the opinion of Meredith realising she is married to Derek not Cristina on twitter.
There is no way this can go on forever otherwise the only two people who remain watching Greys will be Rhimes and Beers.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Sept 28, 2012 15:31:41 GMT -5
Someone watch the clip again with April/Owen, and please reassure me that April hasn't named the hog after Jackson...
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Post by thedoc617 on Sept 28, 2012 15:59:12 GMT -5
I rewatched it, she calls the pig "Jacks" ?? Who knows, maybe she did name it after jackson. LOL
You know, as an avid CO shipper, this episode actually wasn't that bad. Not nearly as painful as the later season 8. We see both C and O missing each-other, and acting in out of character yet gimpsees of in-character ways.
Had to bust out the tissues last night, Mark's death was so sad, but i loved the way they did it.
But, the GA timeline is totally messed up...
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Post by browncoatwhit on Sept 28, 2012 16:15:43 GMT -5
Naming the pig after Jackson is just so very, very wrong... on so many levels... I mean, I could understand naming the pig after Karev, but Jackson ... ?
(Plus... she's only been home for what... a month, at most? It's not like that was some bottle-fed cute little orphan piglet...)
Okay. Sorry. Odd thing to fixate on in the episode, I know... some things should remain a mystery... (Pigs were the one mammal on the ranch that I just could NOT empathize with in any way, shape or form, knowing what devious cannibals they can be. The only GOOD name for a pig is Porkchop, Roast or Bacon!)
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Post by browncoatwhit on Sept 28, 2012 16:30:45 GMT -5
LMAO! Okay -- this has GOT to be shared! From a "Fans React" article (http://www.celebuzz.com/2012-09-28/greys-anatomy-fans-express-devastation-over-tragic-season-premiere/)
My favs!
@le_Raachel: i feel without greys anatomy, shonda would have been a mass murderer
@crismbarbero: ’Shonda rhimes ruining life, couples and fandoms since 2005
@the_Gunn_Man: No more heelies for Arizona? Does it get anymore emotional than that?
@sydmillerr: Killing off Mark Sloan was like punching me in the ovaries
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Post by trinity on Sept 28, 2012 17:04:25 GMT -5
The part I hated even more than Mer leaving her husband at the most emotional times (to see Cristina): sabotaging Bailey's character in order to make Mer look better..
BCB ? - Miranda Bailey deserved better than that..
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Post by cl3me on Sept 28, 2012 19:01:29 GMT -5
Ep felt more like a teaser than a season premiere. A couple of questions answered, but created a whole bunch more.
I'm still in shock at Mer horrible behaviour, chewing out Karev for leaving when she was in the middle of abandoning her husband in a time of need. Between mark and his hand that would be priority over Cris, as sure cris has issues too, but running to cris more important than being there for Derek when his best friend is dying! seriously!?
The fake out with Owen going after April instead of cris good and bad, the April far girl scene was absurdly cliche, her family must run a petting zoo and not a farm, good grief even her pretty boots were clean. The good part IMHO was that Owen didn't go running after cris. He's sown concern ( asking Mer about whether cris was going to make the flight) to showing support by sending cris an email. He's leaving the door open for cris but also being patient and waiting for her to make the next move, the set her free and if she comes back......
Cris is retreating into herself and isolating herself as a way to cope, under the guise of her career, but she's already rubbing mayo the wrong way. Whenever life gets hard she puts the blinders on and goes full steam ahead, over under or through anyone in the way of her career.
I get GA is trying to create contrast between Seattle grace and mayo, but it wasn't subtle at all and i personally found it a bit annoying, and if it was meant to be humorous it fell flat.
Ramirez and Dempsey were especially good this ep, their emotional day was spot on and had me crying along with them.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Sept 28, 2012 21:28:45 GMT -5
Ha my friend Caroline had one of my fave tweets about the episode: “@carolinerhea: The whole show has lost credibility for me. It is not possible that anyone would not want to be with Owen.#greysanatomy”
Since this ep is after she went to mayo, im guessing OC are on ok terms like you said he is leaving the door open for her return and i think deep down they both know she will. i guess she needs a bunch more a-ha! Moments to realize what shes missing.
What bugs me is that convo mer and cris had behind their door at the hotel where they succumb to the fact that Cristina will probably just leave everyone ehind and not look back. However all we see is Mer/Cris chatting all day like teenage girls. i found this so irritating they are married women and mer has a child now that she seems to have forgotten about already while her injured husband is taking care of her. Then u have Cristina who is trying hard to be in robot mode but is finding it har at Mayo because it is different than SGH in terms of personal and professional relationships. I get the sense that they all respect each other equally and it is like trinity said an environment that is not competitive therefore Cristina has to invent a competition which is Mr. Feeney's role in this. she is starting to learn that intimidation is going to get her nowhere at Mayo. she needs to play nice or not at all. It reminds me of how we think of politicians in a way on paper they have a great record but in personal and professional situations they cant relate. She is so used to the bubble of Mer's shadow that she is still unable to see how much she can learn at Mayo.
owen again has the backseat when it comes to mer/cris and so does derek. At some point mer/cris need to grow up and be the women they have become over the last 9 years or there really is no growth. Its sad to see Owen in the background even when cristina isnt there but i did get the sense she seemed hopeful when alex siad he saw owen at the airport. I agree with all of you who said it was a mean trick but at the same time Mer was supposed to be visiting cristina so there wouldnt be any sense for owen to go too. Its clear they have contact with each other and owen doesnt want to pressure her. sadly it is goi g to take something pretty big for cristina to end back up in Seattle which i am sure we are all waiting for.
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Post by S5fan on Sept 30, 2012 1:06:06 GMT -5
Its clear they have contact with each other and owen doesnt want to pressure her. This is something that very strongly transpired from the screen. Just support he gives her by writing the email. On the contrary, we have Meredith pushing for Cristina to come to Seattle, constantly talking to her. And it was very slyly done so it is ambiguous who started the conversations . Was it Meredith, was it Cristina, we don´t know... We see them already talking in all the sceens. In medias res... A big mistake is that we didn´t actually see Cristina reading Owen´s email. At least Rhimes could have given us this tiny bit.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Sept 30, 2012 9:21:29 GMT -5
I hate to be disloyal to C/O, but seriously -- in storytelling terms, watching someone read their email is like watching oatmeal cook. It would be a mistake to show us that, when it is information that can be dropped to us in the Twisted Sisters face time.
We, the the C/O shippers, are desperate for every morsel of interaction between those two characters we can get! But Grey's Anatomy is not the C/O Show -- and the show's writers have to value every second in terms of progressing storylines for the entire task. By NOT showing direct contact between C/O, they're SHOWING us the separation between our favorite couple (and Cristina's unhealty attachment to Meredith by comparison). THAT is effective storytelling, in terms of the wider story arch that'll be pursued in the year to come.
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Post by cl3me on Sept 30, 2012 9:46:29 GMT -5
The fake out with Owen going to April instead of running to Cris rescue is very telling, in that Owen isn't going to run to her rescue only to have her swoon then shut him out again, or just shut him down. Look at how many times he's come to her "rescue" or come after her when things got tough ( talking all the way back to season 5) and Cris was with Mer or acting ludicrous in bar or risked his own life to save her when the vehicle crashed into the Emergency room. This time he's only passive support. She's clearly having difficulty getting back on a plane post crash, and Mark dying isn't incentive enough, but this time Owen isn't doing something heroic for her. I think from the look on his face when he overheard the FaceTime session with Mer that he clearly sees what going on and that she needs help, but this time he doesn't go running to her rescue. Personally I'm glad, because I also believe that if she picked up the phone or emailed back saying "help" he'd go over under or through to be there.
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Post by trinity on Sept 30, 2012 9:55:05 GMT -5
By NOT showing direct contact between C/O, they're SHOWING us the separation between our favorite couple (and Cristina's unhealty attachment to Meredith by comparison). THAT is effective storytelling, in terms of the wider story arch that'll be pursued in the year to come. Effective storytelling does not equate dragging the storyline which is exactly what Shonda Rhimes is doing right now. Dragging. Because she has no idea how to write a compelling story, so she is dragging what she has.. which is not much. The way it seems to me is she has no idea where to go with C/O so she is prolonging the separation as much as possible, by sending Cristina in another state, cutting every contact with Owen - which I actually don't really get, keeping a physical distance between them, and using her old bag of ridiculous tricks (like making fans believe Owen was going to see Cristina, instead he went for April).. I stopped falling for those a long time ago. It's been only one episode and I can already see how ridiculous is the way she is prolonging this story.. We all get there is no easy fix for their situation. And she could very well do that by making Cristina and Owen talk to each other (there are so many things they need to talk about, so many things that need to be fixed before really start working on their marriage) instead of all those mismatches and mistiming, etc. But that would actually require strong, smart and in depth writing. Something that SR and Co. are incapable of doing. So we are stuck with this plot.
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Post by trinity on Sept 30, 2012 10:01:04 GMT -5
The fake out with Owen going to April instead of running to Cris rescue is very telling, in that Owen isn't going to run to her rescue only to have her swoon then shut him out again, or just shut him down. Look at how many times he's come to her "rescue" or come after her when things got tough ( talking all the way back to season 5) and Cris was with Mer or acting ludicrous in bar or risked his own life to save her when the vehicle crashed into the Emergency room. This time he's only passive support. She's clearly having difficulty getting back on a plane post crash, and Mark dying isn't incentive enough, but this time Owen isn't doing something heroic for her. I think from the look on his face when he overheard the FaceTime session with Mer that he clearly sees what going on and that she needs help, but this time he doesn't go running to her rescue. Personally I'm glad, because I also believe that if she picked up the phone or emailed back saying "help" he'd go over under or through to be there. ITA with this.
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Post by hopew on Sept 30, 2012 10:51:46 GMT -5
The fake out with Owen going to April instead of running to Cris rescue is very telling, in that Owen isn't going to run to her rescue only to have her swoon then shut him out again, or just shut him down. Look at how many times he's come to her "rescue" or come after her when things got tough ( talking all the way back to season 5) and Cris was with Mer or acting ludicrous in bar or risked his own life to save her when the vehicle crashed into the Emergency room. This time he's only passive support. She's clearly having difficulty getting back on a plane post crash, and Mark dying isn't incentive enough, but this time Owen isn't doing something heroic for her. I think from the look on his face when he overheard the FaceTime session with Mer that he clearly sees what going on and that she needs help, but this time he doesn't go running to her rescue. Personally I'm glad, because I also believe that if she picked up the phone or emailed back saying "help" he'd go over under or through to be there. ITA with this. ITA as well. I'd rather that Shonda chose to tell this story by having the plane crash be the catalyst for Cristina to get some perspective on her life and realize that her priorities (i.e. always putting her work and personal ambition ahead of her marriage) were wrong. But since that's not the choice Shonda made, we're stuck with what we're getting. For Owen to be shown as constantly chasing Cristina and trying to rescue her from her own bad decisions would be even worse for me than what we are (IMO) being shown - - which is Owen trying to hold his professional life and his hospital together rather than simply lying down to be Cristina's doormat. He knows where she is; he's aware of what is going on; he's in touch enough to let her know that he still cares about her. But running after her to "fix" things for her is something Burke or Meredith would do, and I think both of those relationships were/are deeply dysfunctional and damaging to Cristina. If she reaches out to him, things would change - - ITA that he'd be there in a heartbeat, because by reaching out she'd have shown him that she's ready to move forward. But unless and until that happens, I'd rather see distance between them than more of Owen groveling and begging for forgiveness, or being her "savior." She's a grown up, supposedly - - she's got to figure it out for herself IMO.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Sept 30, 2012 16:59:05 GMT -5
Trinity: please don't think I'm HAPPY with Shonda, or that I LIKE the story that she's telling! I agree that she's exercising only a limited number of tricks, and that dragging things along like Shonda has been doing has frustrating for us, as loyal viewers. But I'll give credit where I do think it's due -- the series premiere was effective. It succeeded in getting me reinvested in the characters and in the remaining cast members (when I was left really cold after the finale for S8). I was fully expecting to watch the premiere, shrug it off, yawn a bit, and strike GA off my very short list of must-watch TV. Instead, I can't wait for next week -- and seriously, just wish I could mainline eps 2 through 7 of this season in one sitting, so that the storyline will have moved a long a bit more into the realm of Happy Times Return Again for C/O...
Flat out... I'm never going to be HAPPY with GA until a) Cristina starts ACTING like Owen is her person (not Meredith Grey!), and b) until we get some Happily Ever After for Cristina and Owen! But Shonda's managed to set her hook in me again, and I'm going to try to keep a positive attitude and find things to enjoy about the series. It ain't worth shipping for the couple if you can't stomach the series as a whole!
But seriously -- having witnessed the recent cast member departures and character deaths, I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it's not Owen or Cristina dead as a result of the plane crash (or permanently crippled!), and that their reunion as a couple IS apparently still a long-range plot arch.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Sept 30, 2012 17:02:24 GMT -5
::swooning:: I'd so LOVE to see that! The difference between what C/O fans want, and what C/O fans get...
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Post by llindssey_CO on Sept 30, 2012 22:38:25 GMT -5
Maybe Crisitna being at Mayo will help her with having a different perspective on life... I guess we have to see the 2nd episode for more unanswerd questions..... It's hard to believe Cristina wouldn't reply to an e-mail. but I'm glad Owen isn't doing the chasing..You can tell it kills him to know she's not okay..and he can't help her. no one can. But that man knows her better then anyone. just by what he said in the e-mail. Cris has no friends or people where she is... she left them....
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Post by llindssey_CO on Sept 30, 2012 22:42:06 GMT -5
It was just hard to watch Cris and Owen look so broken and lost...They'll find there way back to each other tho. SO and KMK will make it as amazing as they can for us. that i do know.
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