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Post by kaz on Oct 25, 2012 15:12:38 GMT -5
CATHERINE AVERY RETURNS TO SEATTLE GRACE TO HELP THE DOCTORS WITH AN EXTRA LARGE SURGERY, ON ABC'S "GREY'S ANATOMY"
"I Saw Her Standing There" is Directed by Kevin McKidd
"I Saw Her Standing There" - Aware that Derek might never operate again, Meredith stops talking about the surgeries she's performing. Meanwhile, Richard calls on Dr. Catherine Avery to help him perform a complicated procedure, as things continue to heat up between Jackson and April; and Arizona's struggle to accept her fate forces Callie and Alex to face their guilt, on "Grey's Anatomy," THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
"Grey's Anatomy" stars Ellen Pompeo as Meredith Grey, Patrick Dempsey as Derek Shepherd, Sandra Oh as Cristina Yang, Justin Chambers as Alex Karev, Chandra Wilson as Miranda Bailey, James Pickens, Jr. as Richard Webber, Sara Ramirez as Callie Torres, Kevin McKidd as Owen Hunt, Jessica Capshaw as Arizona Robbins, Jesse Williams as Jackson Avery and Sarah Drew as April Kepner.
Guest starring Debbie Allen as Catherine Avery, Steven Culp as Dr. Parker, Ethan Embry as David, Trever O'Brian as Bryan, Gaius Charles as Intern Shane, Camilla Luddington as Intern Josaphine, Tina Majorino as Intern Heather, Jerrika Hinton as Intern Stephanie, Tessa Ferrer as Intern Leah, Marcuis W. Harris as Rob with William Daniels as Dr. Thomas.
"I Saw Her Standing There" was written by Austin Guzman and directed by Kevin McKidd.
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Post by mesilla on Oct 25, 2012 21:14:59 GMT -5
Have to say that I really enjoyed the episode. And Cristina sleeping with Parker wasn't that bad. Was nice to see faithful Cristina again (in terms of Thomas). I enjoyed the rest of it too! Poor Owen!!!
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Post by cl3me on Oct 26, 2012 6:11:46 GMT -5
Take out sex with Parker and this was a great ep. I don't even get how they hooked up. So will just ignore it because the rest was brilliant. Arizona finally looking at herself and finding the courage to take the first step. Cris friendship with Thomas she's actually working withe the dinosaur rather than pushing to get him fired. Owens pain as he loses hope she will come back. Congrats to Kevin on a great job. Overall it felt like a classic GA ep with mix of light and drama.
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Post by drwyatt on Oct 26, 2012 7:38:36 GMT -5
Well I'm glad they got it over with quickly. Clearly Parker and Cristina are just using each other. It is icky and hopefully now that she sees what he is trying to do to Dr. Thomas it will be finished. I liked the episode a lot on my second viewing. I was paying more attention to KMK tweeting during the east coast airing and found that I missed almost everything that was going on. I guess my brain is wired differently than other people. What a distraction! Did they ever tell us the medical reason for the ginormous testicles? I would like to see more of Owen forming relationships with Callie and Derek. That was nice. I loved the bubble wrap scene, not just for Owen telling us how he is handling things, but calling back to Derek's falling apart after Jen the patient died too. Arizona's scenes were very moving. I hated the Bailey parts. They had better get moving on her SL soon. Wisecracking over testicles was just stupid. I get that she wanted in on a bid interesting different kind of case than an appy or a "coli" but it was just juvenile. Ok so now what do we do for 2 weeks?
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Post by browncoatwhit on Oct 26, 2012 10:17:45 GMT -5
Frankly, I was girding my loins and trying to prepare myself for taking a deep breath and being the only one to say "Hey, I thought that felt like a classic episode! I really liked it!" Very glad to see I wasn't in the minority!
I thought it was a great episode! Note to Shondaland: give Kevin McKidd more episodes to direct, he's FABULOUS!!! It's a testament to KMK that the April/Jackson subplot even had me engaged and interested! Bravo! And I didn't want to slap Meredith more than once The new Dr. More seems like a lovely character -- I hope we do see more of him, and I thought all of the regular cast got some good moments. And as for Cristina... I thought Cristina's storyline with Dr. Feeny was wonderfully unexpected -- and their chemistry together was just lovely! I'd go to their standup routine at the local comedy club anytime! And to be honest, now that it's done and over with, I did not find Cristina's sex-friend stuff as wretched as I was expecting. Dr. Parker is made out to be an absolute asshat (sex in HIS office? The real Mayo Clinic staff are shuddering...), which I thought was unfortunate. His exchange with Cristina about "that's not ethical" made me laugh out loud at the both of them -- I mean, srsly? for realz? And banging your emotionally vulnerable new transplant employee (or likewise, banging your new boss!) ain't? But it's clear the non-romantic interludes with Parker are NOT something Cristina is going to be proud of in the future, and I had another L-O-L moment at her complaint about still being searching for an orgasm. (I ain't never gonna say "Meh" again without thinking of Owen... just sayin'...)
My three complaints with the epsidoe were entirely story nitpicks:
a) just where in the HECK in Seattle is the Dream House located, that it's that high up in the woods, is not surrounded by more dream homes and it has such a hell of a view... but apparently, Meredith can drive into downtown Seattle in just about 20 minutes? Anyone who's ever driven in Seattle knows you've got to drive (or catch a ferry) for that sort of pipe dream real estate... b) Dr. More apparently walked off and left a patient to sit there for more than 24 hours? WTF?
c) Of course, Meredith's hiding her ex-special tumor surgery from her husband = absolutely assinine. Seriously! Can I just reach through the screen and SLAP her? Not only is that hugely disrespectful and dishonest of her toward her husband... but SERIOUSLY!!! We have watched this idiot woman in her professional environment for nine seasons now. HAS SHE NOT FIGURED OUT THAT SECRETS ARE NON-EXISTENT AT SEATTLE-GRACE-MERCY-DEATH? Meredith was having herself a Casey Anthony moment there, thinking she could just have an exciting extra-special tumor surgery all to herself there, and that no one would mention it to her husband (or that he simply wouldn't READ THE FREAKING SURGICAL BOARDS...)
Finally -- I thought Kevin gave himself the best moment's he's had yet this season. Lovely stuff. Him sitting on the cooler on the porch in the darkness, looking up at the stars? ::swooning:: (Of course, the nitpicky former Seattle resident in me just wants to ask if he's halfway up Mt. Rainer to escape the city light glare... And isn't that trailer still on Dereck's property in the woods? Isn't it in the McDreamMansion backyard or something? Flippin' whippets, who cares! Give us some more KMK turning into a scruffy mountain man, and I'll be oh-so-happily distracted...)
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Post by S5fan on Oct 26, 2012 10:45:15 GMT -5
Finally -- I thought Kevin gave himself the best moment's he's had yet this season. Lovely stuff. Him sitting on the cooler on the porch in the darkness, looking up at the stars? The best part of the whole episode. Plus Owen and Callie in the bar - simple magic. You could see him smile a little. Cristina and her search for orgasm is disgusting and shameful. I have no sympathy for her. She is ethical about what is being done to Dr Thomas, but has sex with her boss all over the place while still married without any hesitation. Yuck! I wish Owen fell in love with another woman. Too bad Cristina is the love of his life.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Oct 26, 2012 11:44:07 GMT -5
Actually, last night gave me the strongest sense of hope for them I've had yet all season! Cristina is attempting to run away and rebuild her life without Owen, but she's only going to find out that she can't. I'm going to cheer it on every time that clue-X-four clobbers her!
(... and, just for the record -- I keep trying to modify my profile so that the Forbidden Image gets replaced, but it ain't working for me. ARRRRGH!)
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Post by blackorchid on Oct 26, 2012 15:35:11 GMT -5
Finally -- I thought Kevin gave himself the best moment's he's had yet this season. Lovely stuff. Him sitting on the cooler on the porch in the darkness, looking up at the stars? The best part of the whole episode. Plus Owen and Callie in the bar - simple magic. You could see him smile a little. Cristina and her search for orgasm is disgusting and shameful. I have no sympathy for her. She is ethical about what is being done to Dr Thomas, but has sex with her boss all over the place while still married without any hesitation. Yuck! I wish Owen fell in love with another woman. Too bad Cristina is the love of his life. Wanting an orgasm is far from disgusting or shameful, it's normal. Take the character point of view. Cristina has made it clear she will never go back to SGMW. She has stated this on screen. Is she meant to stay away from any male contact because she's sperated? From the characters point of view she thinks she will never go back there and never see Owen again. The audience may not like it but this is from their POV. Owen could go start something with another woman tomorrow because he even stated to Callie that he doesn't think Cristina will come back. If Owen had fallen in love with another woman, he may have ended up the same way as the homless guy in S5 he treated. Hate her at the moment but I would find it hard to stop loving someone who stood by me through PTSD when we didn't know each other that well, because s5 with crowen was unique. It's easier to stand by someone once you know them and built a love and bond with them. It takes something to stand by someone you hardly know and going by your gut feeling on who they 'might be'
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Post by browncoatwhit on Oct 26, 2012 16:17:04 GMT -5
Huzzah! Very well said! I particularly like your reference back to that important season 5 episode with Pretzel Guy -- very spot on!
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Post by trinity on Oct 26, 2012 16:27:00 GMT -5
It's easier to stand by someone once you know them and built a love and bond with them. It takes something to stand by someone you hardly know and going by your gut feeling on who they 'might be' I think Owen - even going through his PTSD has shown Cristina how much she meant to him. Every step of their relationship in season 5. It's as hard to stand by someone you know through everything when you take constant crap from them (and he had put up with all of that because of what Cristina did for him when he was going through his worst time). It's as hard to be there for them when they are doing everything to push you away. But the problem here is not as much what she is doing to Owen, but what Cristina is doing to herself. That is the saddest part of all. Because she has let herself manipulated by a guy. And for what?
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Post by browncoatwhit on Oct 26, 2012 17:13:58 GMT -5
Trinity -- I agree! Cristina's doing this damage to herself, but I think ::fingers crossed:: that this might be a lesson we'll see Cristina do some learning from. (At least, I hope so!!!)
COForver's posting of the Cristina & Owen video snippets for this episode really gave me a chance to savor the upside of Cristina @ Mayo -- seriously, she ROCKS as a teacher with Dr. Feeny! Just my humble opinion, but she out-teaches Dereck in this episode! That's lovely to see -- I haven't enjoy Sandra Oh's chemistry with anyone like this since Owen's introduction back in Season 5! I'll buy everyone a virtual round at Joe's (Old Fashioneds, of course!) if Dr. Feeny survives the season and winds up hired at Seattle Grace after he's finally forced out at Mayo...
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Post by cl3me on Oct 26, 2012 20:30:18 GMT -5
Interesting, part of reason cris running away From Seattle grace is its a teaching hospital and in her mind she's too much of a cardio rock star and doesn't want to be bothered with teaching.....and in this ep she's not only teaching, but a dinosaur at that. Passionless sex. Hmmmmm, Cris thought she was moving onto to greener pastures but turns out there's more to SG than she realized! Maybe all of the Teddy and Owen advice she was too stubborn to acknowlegde before is sinking in.
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Post by S5fan on Oct 27, 2012 0:36:20 GMT -5
For me it is still disgusting because she is doing it with a man she doesn´t like, just to please herself with a man who doesn´t give a crap about her, who she is inside. We are all wired differently I guess. Some people find it acceptable, but I don´t. And she is cheating on Owen, because they are still married and she hasn´t filed for divorce which is even more disgusting.If we knew the divorce proceedings are on the way, I´d look at it in a different way.
The whole point Shonda wanted to achieve with the audience is that Cristina wants orgasm and Owen wanted to hurt her. Rhimes has been successful again. Double standards is her mojo. Owen found a ONS and Cristina found herself a sex friend both while being married. 2 different things? In my opinion, it is the same thing - cheating. Shonda prefers her female characters and will justify all their behaviour, it is not killing a baby, it is your choice, it is not cheating, you are just fulfilling a physical need. Shonda trashes men, they have no rights, they are just puppets in Shondaland. This bothers me a lot. Plus it is a plot device for the professional triangle Parker, Thomas, Cristina to be more tightened and blown off in the next episode. JMHO
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Post by blackorchid on Oct 27, 2012 2:55:44 GMT -5
It's easier to stand by someone once you know them and built a love and bond with them. It takes something to stand by someone you hardly know and going by your gut feeling on who they 'might be' I think Owen - even going through his PTSD has shown Cristina how much she meant to him. Every step of their relationship in season 5. It's as hard to stand by someone you know through everything when you take constant crap from them (and he had put up with all of that because of what Cristina did for him when he was going through his worst time). It's as hard to be there for them when they are doing everything to push you away. But the problem here is not as much what she is doing to Owen, but what Cristina is doing to herself. That is the saddest part of all. Because she has let herself manipulated by a guy. And for what? I watched the whole episode and found it not a sinister as I was expecting it to be. She had average sex with a guy for some release and not OR time, so she wasn't selling herself or with him because he's the chief, so thats one myth burst. Through her botty calls she found out she was brought to Mayo to strengthen a case to get rid of Dr Thomas. Stuff like this is happening to millions of older generation workers all over the world right now, ruthless by realistic. Dr Parker mistake was he READ HER WRONG. Cristina before the crash would have been in on the plan in a heartbeat, but this Cristina who is changing slowly is not okay with them pulling this crap with her Mayo person. I thought she was sassy when she helped Dr Thomas with the surgery and pawned Parker afterwards was classic Yang of old. I think Dr Tomas will be the one to get her on the plane very soon, I even think he may ride the plane with her. Cristina has been changing and mellowing since she's been in Mayo and I thought that was what many fans used to want for her to be less surgery aggressive? I feel sorry for Owen but Cristina's issues have been present since season 1 and not to be harsh her baby step changes right now need to be done without him and in the end he will be the one to benifit from them. Dr Thomas is the mentor Cristina should have had over the seasons, he likes her as she is and isn't full of himself to learn from her too.
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Post by trinity on Oct 27, 2012 3:16:55 GMT -5
Cristina has been going in circles with her issues for years and she has made those baby steps you are talking about a long time ago (many of them during season 5). But now Shonda has chosen to go back to square one and start all over what she has already done a while ago. It's bothering to see Cristina the only character that is put in a constant loop, Shonda never letting her evolve as much as she capable of. I don't think the Cristina before the crash would jumped on agree with with Parker's plan. I really don't. I think Owen being beside would help her much much more, beside Dr. Thomas who - I totally agree with you - is the sort of mentor Cristina should have had years ago. A little humbleness will get her very far. And unfortunately she has let herself manipulated by Parker - who took advantage as well of her emotional state. Only when she went to his house and she had that conversation with him she realized the mess she has gotten herself into.
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Post by blackorchid on Oct 27, 2012 3:52:12 GMT -5
Cristina has been going in circles with her issues for years and she has made those baby steps you are talking about a long time ago (many of them during season 5). But now Shonda has chosen to go back to square one and start all over what she has already done a while ago. I think Owen being beside would help her much much more, beside Dr. Thomas who - I totally agree with you - is the sort of mentor Cristina should have had years ago. A little humbleness will get her very far. And unfortunately she has let herself manipulated by Parker - who took advantage as well of her emotional state. Only when she went to his house and she had that conversation with him she realized the mess she has gotten herself into. Sorry I don't see Cristina as being taken advantage of in this episode. She had sex with a guy, he tells her why he wanted her at Mayo and has started to mess with his plans. Sorting through her deep issues alone is better for her imo as she doesn't have the weight of others expectations on her shoulders. She doesn't have Owen or Meredith giving contrasting opinions and views. Those people can be involved later on in her process. Looking on other boards many people seem to really enjoy Cristina at Mayo and her personhood with Dr Thomas which is great. The way Cristina acted towards Dr Thomas during boards she would have been fine with taking his place without a second thought because she didn't know him, so we disagree on this point. Alex is the same. People like this always revert to type when they can't deal with things. In the end the one thing to remember is Cristina does not want children and Owen does.
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Post by trinity on Oct 27, 2012 4:14:01 GMT -5
Sorry I don't see Cristina as being taken advantage of in this episode. She had sex with a guy, he tells her why he wanted her at Mayo and has started to mess with his plans. Sorting through her deep issues alone is better for her imo as she doesn't have the weight of others expectations on her shoulders. She doesn't have Owen or Meredith giving contrasting opinions and views. Those people can be involved later on in her process. She is taken advantage of because it is a position of power. But again we will never agree on this either. It's not the fact that Cristina made a mistake, she is human she made it, if she realized she made it. she'll learn from it and move on a better place for her. It's the fact that people are trying to minimize it and not consider it a big deal, when it actually is. That's exactly the big difference between Owen and Meredith. Owen has always let Cristina take time and deal with her issues. He was there to support her but never to push her and force her like Meredith often does. That's why I think Owen's support will benefit her a lot right now. And we've seen that in the second episode. Cristina did not know Thomas when she got to Minnesota. Her attitude towards him was hostile at the beginning. We saw that. She was very willing to take his place in that moment. I am sure that would have changed when she got to know him even if it all had happened before the crash. Yes, you are right, I absolutely agree with you, she is doing the same thing with Alex. Which is again pity. It's sad when people see it as simple as that, Cristina doesn't children and Owen does. Because that was not Owen's problem to begin with. But we probably disagree on that too. Which is ok.
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Post by drwyatt on Oct 27, 2012 7:49:46 GMT -5
I have to agree with Trinity that it IS a power differential in that Parker is her superior, AND has been controlling her surgical assignments and keeping her out of his own surgeries (which she is interested in) in order to further his agenda of gaining intelligence on Dr. Thomas from her. That is the very definition to me of manipulation. She is a willing participant sexually, for her own reasons, but was unaware of his overarching agenda until now.
I imagine an entire backstory of Dr. Thomas returning from the boards and in his chatty way regaling Dr. Parker with stories of his encounter with Cristina, and Parker deciding to up his offer to Cristina because she sounded like the kind of person who would be willing to force out the old in service of the new. So I also agree with blackorchid that Dr. Parker READ HER WRONG. He made an assumption about who Cristina is, and your right Trinity, Cristina is not that person.
We are all supposed to remember Cristina's interactions with Dr. Campbell too, in order to contrast how she has grown, from dismissive disdain (dinosaur, put down the scalpel etc) to accepting that the old still have something to teach the young. In that sense, Cristina has grown.
As to the reasons that Cristina and Owen are apart now, the difference between whether or not to have children is a stark one. Were there other factors? Yes, Cristina ignoring Owen's opinion, and how he was feeling afterward, taking Teddy's side over Owen and not helping him repair that relationship were all factors that drove them apart in S8, long before the OOC ONS even occurred. We've been told in interviews that the kids issue is going to return. I don't know how or if any of the other contributing issues are going to be addressed. Teddy and Owen made up and she is gone, so it is likely that aspect will not ever be brought up. The abortion itself is a hot potato that Shonda has ignored and interviewers have given her a pass on, so I don't know if that is ever going to be reexamined. It's unfortunate that SO gives so few interviews, because I would love to understand her POV of Cristina's behavior. She talks about going to SR and discussing motivation, reasons, etc. but we never hear it. But KMK said in one of his interviews, and SR has said, that the disagreement about whether to have children is one of the CO story arcs this season. It will be interesting to see which aspects of that they explore when they try to bring us AWESOME.
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Post by mesilla on Oct 27, 2012 7:56:02 GMT -5
She is taken advantage of because it is a position of power. But again we will never agree on this either. It's not the fact that Cristina made a mistake, she is human she made it, if she realized she made it. she'll learn from it and move on a better place for her. It's the fact that people are trying to minimize it and not consider it a big deal, when it actually is. Just because two people that are having sex are of different ranks within the workplace does not automatically mean that the one in a position of power is taking advantage of the person who is lower. I understand how you think that, but I have to disagree as well. Cristina is trying to move on with her life. She has no intention of coming back to SGMW. She is having sex with someone who is not pushing or forcing her. I doubt that her boss knows anything about her, but lets assume he does...as long as she wants to continue to have sex with him...then he didn't do anything wrong. It is not his responsibility to protect her. Now, I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just saying that I disagree that a woman who is traumatized can't decide what she wants/needs and that the people around her should be smart enough to do that for her.
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Post by trinity on Oct 27, 2012 8:13:05 GMT -5
Sleeping with a subordinate and trying to manipulate her, because that is exactly what Parker is doing is not abuse of power? Most of the times when there are relationships like this it is about power and who is trying to use who. I don't think Parker gives a crap about Cristina. He's interested to reach his own goals. Because that's most of the time who people are.
Unlucky for Parker he did read Cristina wrong. Because she is not that kind person.
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