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Post by Leanne on Mar 26, 2009 2:44:47 GMT -5
Im a bit late with this but, here we are after a very hectic week of Kevin related news, videos and interview .....
"Elevator Love Letter" - Tensions are running high at Seattle Grace with all eyes on Derek as he is set to perform his first surgery after his breakdown; attention is also set on Izzie, whose medical condition requires her to undergo a difficult surgery; and Owen has another PTSD episode that injures Cristina and traumatizes both of them, throwing the future of their relationship into question, on "Grey's Anatomy," THURSDAY, MARCH 26 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network
"Grey's Anatomy" stars Ellen Pompeo as Meredith Grey, Patrick Dempsey as Derek Shepherd, Sandra Oh as Cristina Yang, Katherine Heigl as Isobel "Izzie" Stevens, Justin Chambers as Alex Karev, T.R. Knight as George O'Malley, Chandra Wilson as Miranda Bailey, James Pickens, Jr. as Richard Webber, Sara Ramirez as Callie Torres, Eric Dane as Mark Sloan, Chyler Leigh as Lexie Grey and Kevin McKidd as Owen Hunt.
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(Next two weeks are re runs)
Enjoy
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Post by hrsracer01 on Mar 26, 2009 18:54:39 GMT -5
It took me a while to actually watch the spoiler for tonight....I finally watched it during an interview and can't wait to watch everything in context. I have 1 hour and 5 minutes until showtime:)
Will continue to drool until then.
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Post by ruralstar on Mar 26, 2009 21:44:09 GMT -5
Wow.
I will preface my remarks by saying that my digital signal kept cutting out during 'that' scene at the beginning. I didn't get to see it in its entirety and i'm going to be biting my nails until I can get a copy and rewatch. That aside....
The comic relief/lesson portion of the episode with the Aunt and her family...Yeah, I could have done without that. In an episode full of extraordinary emotional moments that was a bit too lame even for its purpose. Been there and experienced that very same situation in real life, minus the creepy vulture language, and I honestly didn't find it funny or necessary.
The whole group of friends converging on and then hiding from Izzy. Yep, very plausible. Bailey was able to be a friend but she had something to do, which made the waiting at least bearable. I love that Izzy gave her the scarf and she wore it at the end of the episode.
I'm glad Alex said the interns could stay. Too many tiimes those poor kids are just tossed aside. For once they could at least try and be there for a teacher they are coming to respect.
Great scene with Meredith trying to comfort Alex. We don't get to see his softer side very much. Nicely played by both actors.
The whole sperm in a cup thing made us laugh here. Love Alex telling Izzy about it at the end. Oh and very cool that Alex was our narrator!
I had forgotten that Callie and George were once married so the Arizona and Callie moment was kind of confusiing. I like that Callie sort of gave George permission to be the friend he needed to be for Izzy. She does understand how far they've all come since George slept with Izzy. Nice work from T.R Knight.
Meredith and Derek. I still find some of his crisis rather contrived and over the top melodramatic. However, I liked seeing him stand up to the cancer doctor and finally take control of himself again. All the bits between him and Meredith worked very well. As for the final 'proposal', I do hope long term fans were as impressed as I was. It seemed absolutely perfect.
So we come to Owen and Owen/Cristina. I was completely blown away even with all of the spoilers leaked this week. From the moments of relaxation at the beginning until the last time we see him sliding into the scanner the emotions were just radiating off the screen. I never expected them to make love. It was beautifully shot and so tenderly done. Heartbreaking that Cristina had to walk away after defending Owen and her choice to everyone who tried to intervene. We KNOW this is not the end for these two. I was holding my breath until Cristina walked into his arms and dying on the inside when she admitted her fear.
I don't know if I'll have more to say after a rewatch. Right now I'm still trying to digest everything. Rarely have I ever been so affected by a fictional situation. If it didn't feel so real it would be alot easier to turn off the set and walk away. Kevin and Sandra Oh deserve any and all accolades their peers could bestow.
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Post by georgeseurat on Mar 26, 2009 21:44:48 GMT -5
Wow! Okay, I love the fact that the strangle is after a pleasant Owen watching a surgery video, noticing Cristina is asleep, and then take care of her, or something else. Not that it shows the excellent contrasting acting of KMK, but it also shows that Owen really loves Cristina.
I think the writers did a very good job on O/C this episode. The structure of their storyline is the strongest. Apart from what I have mentioned above, the vent scene is crucial. We see Cristina goes there, and sees Owen is already there. That already tells us they both realize that this is something really important. I love how it tells us the sensitivity between these two people, especially Owen. Again, superb acting in that scene from KMK and SO. That little approach to each other than back off tells us they are still not alright about this.
Then they go seperate ways, until the end, when Cristina tells Owen that Izzie is okay. Owen asks Cristina whether he can touch her. They once again approach, and then they have sex. That sex is tender, passionate, yet, cautious. I sense that this sex is not just due to real passion, but also because it's a test. At the end, Cristina says, "I'm so afraid to go to sleep," means that both Owen and Cristina are having each other as burdens. Owen agrees to step back and get help, this means that he loves Cristina. Cristina breaks up with him, this means that she willing to let Owen put down his burden, which is herself. This is love (and in a VERY VERY VERY Chinese way).
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Post by ruralstar on Mar 26, 2009 21:47:51 GMT -5
Nicely put George. I had not thought of them as burdens to one another. Again, a difference in culture briings different perspectives
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Post by marcy on Mar 26, 2009 21:49:06 GMT -5
I know what you mean Heather. I'm a west coaster too. The wait is killing me!!
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Post by georgeseurat on Mar 26, 2009 21:56:21 GMT -5
Nicely put George. I had not thought of them as burdens to one another. Again, a difference in culture briings different perspectives Well, I think British will also do something like that, since they are also very logic to their passion.
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Post by georgeseurat on Mar 26, 2009 22:04:47 GMT -5
I don't know if I'll have more to say after a rewatch. Right now I'm still trying to digest everything. Rarely have I ever been so affected by a fictional situation. REALLY, TOTALLY AGREE with you about this! ;D
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Mar 26, 2009 22:32:16 GMT -5
This was a mind blowing episode, even in recent years, have I never seen anything so amazing on Grey's: Just wanted to note the irony of the episode being in Alex's voiceover, seems whenever there is a major moment in Mer's life lately, the voice over is someone else's. Though the fact that it was Alex makes perfect sense. Poor Alex. Can't imagine being a doctor and not being able to notice the symptoms of his girlfriend who had skin cancer, which was probably the most obvious form of cancer to discover. Why didn't he catch it in time? How could he not know? Noticed how Cristina, Mer and Alex all had trouble digesting the fact that Izzie is now their patient. I thought it was great that Bailey took the opportunity to remind Izzie that she is a doctor first by talking about her surgeries that day, etc. Taking the obviousness out of the situation is something Bailey does best. It was Bailey who brought Izzie back from when Denny died. So it's perfectly making sense that she will be there during her own health crisis. I also love how she called them on not being there for Izzie. I think Izzie understood Alex's struggle with it, but I also think its great to see how they all kind of were there for her in their own way so that they wouldn't break down in front of her. Ok so I kind of love how it made sense that Owen was at Cristina's and why they were not 'in bed' per se but in her bed. I love that he is the kind of guy that would sit and watch Ellis' operation videos with Cristina just to spend time with her. How he looked at her and watched her while she was sleeping was so sweet that it was almost inevitable to have it end that way. I first want to say that I really love how the scene was shot. How we see Owen drifting off while the fan is going over head and then the next shot is of Cristina gasping for dear life. I thought it was shot brilliantly. The style really caught the whole chaos of the sequence, and drama of it. It was almost like watching a horror film, though we all know that is not the case, it indeed was traumatic for both of them. We kind of are able to see through the blurr maybe what Owen was experiencing how fast everything was going. Thank goodness Cristina started knocking things down so Callie could hear. Then of course there is the realization of Owen as he realizes he could have killed Cristina. it was perfectly natural that Callie would call Meredith in that situation. Both really have no idea what it is that Owen is experiencing, but it is practically forced on them now. I wanted to say how much I loved Cristina standing up for Owen against Meredith and not batting an eye at Meredith, just worrying about Owen and hugging him. Once again Cristina is NOT a hugger, and definately not in front of her friends. So for her to be able to do that in front of Callie and Meredith while they are standing there judging Owen was quite an amazing thing for her to do. I love that she reminded owen that she sees him by saying "Look at me". The helicopter thing was also pretty cool, you can kind of see little flashes forward of how Owen is affected by even the most minor thing into a PSTD moment. I love that shot of him looking up at the helicopter and you can defiantely tell that he wasn't "there" until Derek snapped him out of it. Mer and Callie being protective of Cristina was great to see, though I think we were also able to see how the stigma of those with PSTD is misunderstood. When Meredith grilled Cristina about Owen almost killing her, her response was amazing. She really does understand, but there is only so much a limit one can take as we see. I loved the conversation with Owen and Derek. I'm also glad that certain people are seeing bits of Owen in a different light, people you know who won't talk about him behind his back as he mentioned to Derek. Up until the final scene with Cristina, I think Owen was still going through his stages of grief, and is now fully ready to start healing. I love that Cristina found Owen in the vent. Owen beating himself up over the situation was completely believable. I can understand how afraid he must have been of himself and the potential of hurting Cristina is just something he doesn't want to have happen. I love that she doesn't back down and lets him know she knows her limits by walking away instead of standing there making out with him in their hot vent. Just wanted to note as well the irony of the vent with the fan going overhead. It's kind of ironic that Owen finds solace in such a place. Ok so I kind of thought in the back of my mind that we'd get some O/C moments here but was not so sure they would make love either, but I knew that if they did it woudl be done tastefully, even if it wasn't the right time. You could definatley see their desperation in wanting to be together and be there for each other. And also how things just happen. The scene was beautiful, but I also was comforted by the reality that Cristina realized it wasn't the right time for them because she was afraid of falling asleep in his arms, the same arms that tried to strangle her the previous night. Instead of feeling safe in his arms she's worried about what she is going to wake up to. It kind of reminded me of the little girl and the father who was sleepwalking and how she was afraid to go to sleep. I always think of owen as a lost little boy, but here Cristina finally acknowledges to Owen that it is not something she can deal with all on her own. I am glad that he decided to get help and that Cristina was his motivation for it really shows how much these characters are going to be able to work it out. I can't see them being apart for too long, I think once she realizes he's getting help they will take things slow again. It was truly heartbreaking to hear what Cristina said specially after what was probably the most loving thing either of them have experienced in a long time. Amazing work from Sandra and Kevin I am really loving how these characters are going. They move one step forward then a couple steps back. Realistically this is how life is, all messed up but throw in PSTD its a whole different ball game. Truly amazing writing and acting all around. OK so Mer/Der just wanted to say I knew even before the name of the episode he'd propose in the elevator. Things always happen to them in elevators. I love how Derek sincerely proposed to Mer instead of just trying to secure his own emotions about getting back to the table. Love that she reassured him that she'd love him no matter what happened, but she wasn't going to say yes just as a bandaid per se. she was letting Derek fight his battle and giving him encouragement when he needed it which I loved. I also thought it was cute the CHief made Mer to go in the other elevator so cute. The orchestration of the proposal was just great how he took the time to do all that is just amazing. And some of Alex's final words: "Trauma always leaves a scar. Trauma messes everybody up But. maybe that's the point the pain the fear and the crap maybe going through all of that is what keeps us moving forward. It's what pushes us. Maybe we have to get a little messed up before we can step up" Ultimately things have to get worse before they get better, but I think this will be a positive thing for Owen and Cristina in the end. Im' sure I'll think of more but that is mine so far
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Post by ruralstar on Mar 26, 2009 22:51:05 GMT -5
Nice review Maya. You were far more coherent than I was. Agreed with everything you said regarding Owen and Owen/Cristina.
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Post by Leanne on Mar 27, 2009 2:16:31 GMT -5
not reading any of your reviews today Im off to download the episode so if you dont see me around today you know what Im doing LOL........
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Mar 27, 2009 7:51:21 GMT -5
Something else on a second viewing In the second season of Grey's Anatomy Cristina has an ectopic pregnancy which she doesn't tell Burke about until he finds out himself when she ends up in the OR losing the baby and a fallopian tube. After that, Cristina doesn't want to be touched AT ALL. and she can't stop crying. She was always the kind of person that didn't like hugging, etc. and getting physically and emotional at the same time. All her friends tried to comfort her when the event hit her and she started sobbing uncontrollably. Then Burke came to the hospital room and climbed into bed with her it was the only thing that comforted her. Here's the scene:
The scene in the vent kind of reminded me a bit of that, in how Cristina isn't ready for Owen to touch her yet as he goes in for a kiss. It kind of starts to hit her at that moment the whole gravity of it all and why Owen is also so freaked out. You can also see how Owen is just even more torn up about it when she backs away. That's why I love when Owen asks Cristina "Can I hold you?" Its such an unexpected, yet perfect thing for him to say, and the fact that she let him was just poignant because usually she is the one being the strong one, for once Owen is trying to be the strong one for her, but they are both broken and scared. I kind of agree with the writer's blog that it was goodbye sex,but it was also comfort sex in a way. They didn't JUST have sex. It was definately love, but it was heartbreaking for Cristina to have to tell Owen that she doesn't think she can do this. I noticed too how they are positioned in the bed, his arms are across/behind her neck and her choking wounds are showing clearly. What's supposed to be a blissful, tender moment is overtaken by shadows and fear.
And also, this is why I think that a pregnancy story line might not be all farfetched for Owen and Cristina, based on the 'curveball' Kevin mentioned in the article about it being a 'good and bad thing'. In my mind Cristina still hasn't really dealt with the trauma of losing the baby, etc. . I think a baby would force Owen to keep getting help even more, but I also see Cristina not getting freaked out like she did with Burke and trying to figure things out with Owen rather than not telling him. So while a pregnancy would be cliche, I think the thing about Owen and Cristina is that they are constantly breaking the conventions of cliches that are normally associated with a 'love at first sight' type of romance that they have Falling in love was the easy part, now they have to work through all the 'crap' as Alex put it to get to the good stuff.
My predictions are that they will still find a way to be involved with each other, so I think they are going to find it too hard to be apart so they try to be friends for the time being they have such a bond and it is going to be tough to watch the next episode with them both missing each other and trying to figure out the next step. I think they both need each other in ways that others around them can't interpret, even Mer/Der. Anyway more on this later I suppose..
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Post by georgeseurat on Mar 27, 2009 8:52:38 GMT -5
Oh my lord! I rewatch the finally sex scene many times, and I realized that not just KMK has watery eyes, but his eyes are ALL red and swollen. This is like the state of a person who has already cried for so long. He has already cried kind of emotionally in the vent scene, also in the hugging scene. Maybe they made a good makeup, but I think this finally scene is shot later. His eyes are all swollen even when he is having sex. No matter why KMK said this episode is not enjoyable for him to shoot. I bet he stayed crying for the whole shoot.
However, it's HARD to do so, so BIG SALUTE to professional KMK!!!!
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Post by odoacer on Mar 27, 2009 9:06:28 GMT -5
KMK is a Greek God !
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Post by hrsracer01 on Mar 27, 2009 10:02:49 GMT -5
I think this episode was very well done.....but will have to watch it again on the computer at my leisure to be able to truly enjoy it. I kept switching between GA and Hell's Kitchen. Sorry but I love them both so much.
Plus I couldn't yell at the TV like I wanted too either.
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Post by cl3me on Mar 27, 2009 10:05:53 GMT -5
I have never been literally emotionally drained after a tv show. This is what a drama should be. As sad and as necessary as it is that they need to break up, I still feel a glimmer of hope - how could a love that strong die completely?
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Post by ruralstar on Mar 27, 2009 10:46:09 GMT -5
I don't think their love is at all dead-just laid low for both their sakes.
The thing that strikes me about the purpose of the love scene is that it is good-bye but it's also a promise. They know what they want, what they can have someday if both are williing to take the journey. Owen expresses it in words and Cristina agrees. I love the hesitation to touch and the slow, tender way they come together. It was making love, not having sex. Passion turned slightly on its ear into sensual touch that makes you ache all the more for these two. I see it as a window to what the future could be. A future that is probaby very far off.
George, I agree with your assessment of the difficult nature of the shoot. This had to be an exhausting week for everyone on that set. Specific to Kevin and Sandra-they have such wonderful chemistry and I'm so pleased that she can/does respond so well to everything he does in a scene. I would never have suspected have perfectly cast these two are.
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Post by Leanne on Mar 27, 2009 10:56:05 GMT -5
Thud.....thats my head hitting the keyboard. Man that was awesome. If these two do not get an Emmy or some award for this (I know George you are not into the Emmy's) but hell that was some awesome acting. Actually excellent acting from all actors on the show I was astounded and for the first time I am looking forward to the next episode not just for Owen and Cris but all ..... I have to agree yes this was an emotional roller coaster and I was worn out when I finished the episode however I didn't find it sad .... and we know Owen and Cris cant be finished but its going to be really good to see how they build up again so we might have a cliffhanger at season end for these two...what a contrast at the end with a happy mer and a sad Cris way to go to all I would vote this as the best episode so far out of the season.....
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Post by georgeseurat on Mar 27, 2009 12:09:34 GMT -5
I don't think their love is at all dead-just laid low for both their sakes.
The thing that strikes me about the purpose of the love scene is that it is good-bye but it's also a promise. They know what they want, what they can have someday if both are williing to take the journey. Owen expresses it in words and Cristina agrees. I love the hesitation to touch and the slow, tender way they come together. It was making love, not having sex. Passion turned slightly on its ear into sensual touch that makes you ache all the more for these two. I see it as a window to what the future could be. A future that is probaby very far off.
George, I agree with your assessment of the difficult nature of the shoot. This had to be an exhausting week for everyone on that set. Specific to Kevin and Sandra-they have such wonderful chemistry and I'm so pleased that she can/does respond so well to everything he does in a scene. I would never have suspected have perfectly cast these two are. You think Kevin is one of those actors who has to be given time in order to do a crying scene, or one of those who can do it just like pressing a button?
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Post by ruralstar on Mar 27, 2009 12:45:26 GMT -5
I don't have any idea George. Sounds like the process varies from actor to actor and its as individual as the people themselves.
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