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Post by hopew on Aug 1, 2012 8:21:58 GMT -5
I'm just very curious about the swell of Internet chatter predicting the deaths of both Mark Sloan and Arizona. Man -- I'm gonna miss Mark, personally, and I'd HATE to lose Arizona!! But if those two outcomes are in the offing, then I'm wondering if Shonda won't be sneaky and toy with a Owen/Callie relationship of some kind. Granted -- if Callie loses both Mark & Arizona, I don't expect her to be falling head over heels with anyone, and likewise, I wouldn't expect Owen to fall for Callie! But... again, I could see the writers teasing with that by having Owen step up and help care for baby Sofia. Owen is generous and a loyal friend, I couldn't imagine him failing to do reach out to Callie if she's in crisis, and there's the AU ep last season! Plus... we know there's nothing that's gonna make us fangirls melt faster than those super-strong McKidd arms cradling a little baby, is there? If I were in the Grey's Anatomy writer's room, I'd be all over that scenario like a box of chocolates, and as sweet, sweet torture to all of those poor suffering C/O fans out there... Just sayin'. ::wink:: Just a couple of quick responses: 1. Arizona is not going to die. Shonda is not going to kill off half of one of her most popular couples, especially after killing off both halves of another popular pair (because IMO Mark WILL die), particularly when the actress playing her is Steven Spielberg's step-daughter. Shonda is just torturing the fans and trying to keep some suspense for the SP, in the same way that she kept the abortion a secret till the end of the last SP. My prediction is that we won't see Arizona until the very end of the SP, and we'll see her in a wheelchair or a hospital bed. But she'll be alive. 2. Callie/Owen is a complete non-starter. That was established in the AU episode last year. The writers will not go there - the back lash would be too brutal and it makes absolutely no story sense whatsoever. I CAN see Owen helping out with Zola and/or Sofia, just to torture the C/O fans a little more by showing us what a good father Owen would have been. But he will be nothing more than a friend, at most, to Callie. IMO, one of the several reasons for keeping Owen and Cristina geographically separated for at least a few episodes this year is that it delays the reconciliation without having to use that stupid, tired, show runner trick of introducing a "competing relationship." IF Shonda does anything like that, I could more easily see Cristina trying to have a "thing" with someone at Mayo - - that would (i) balance things (in Shonda's twisted world view) in relation to Owen's ONS; and (ii) could be a catalyst for Cristina realizing that she really only wants Owen. But I really, really hope that doesn't happen. Owen, however, will not look at another woman between now and the time he and Cristina reconcile. JMHO.
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Post by mesilla on Aug 1, 2012 9:51:06 GMT -5
For me: * a repeat of Cristina's "Meredith, Owen is my person -- you're just my friend" moment. That will NEVER get old! * Owen playing his guitar -- anywhere, anyplace, for any reason. * Owen given another chance to play action-hero. Seriously! You've got Kevin Mc-freaking-Kidd, and you just have him stand around all the time? If we don't get to Owen him jumping out of a helicopter and rescuing the plane crash victims single-handedly, I at least want to see him punch out a bath salts tweaker or something in order to restore order to HIS emergency room! (Yes, and when he does, I'll be yelling "13!!!" at the top of my lungs and scaring my hubby AND the dogs...) Awesome questions!!!! 1) I want to see a montage of what Owens life is like right now without Cristina, and one of what Cristina's life is like without Owen. I can see Owen throwing himself into fitness or something...and Cristina into surgery and cereal. And a messy apt. At any rate I want to see how they are when they are apart. 2) I want to see Cristina fight for Owen. She doesn't need to beg or grovel, I just want her to take the fest step. Or if no fight for him, then at least be there for him if he needs her. 3) I want Cristina to find out about Meredith talking to Owen before her abortion. IMO that has a lot to do with Owen beginning to bury his feelings because of guilt. A root of their problems. :-)
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Post by browncoatwhit on Aug 1, 2012 14:04:07 GMT -5
Just a couple of quick responses: 2. Callie/Owen is a complete non-starter. That was established in the AU episode last year. The writers will not go there - the back lash would be too brutal and it makes absolutely no story sense whatsoever. I CAN see Owen helping out with Zola and/or Sofia, just to torture the C/O fans a little more by showing us what a good father Owen would have been. But he will be nothing more than a friend, at most, to Callie. Oh yes! I was trying and failing to say it: I don't think Callie/Owen would be made into a couple! I just wouldn't put it past the writer's room to tease us with the possibility of the storyline going that direction. Because those wicked GA writers are made of cruel. Just for the record -- I agree with your predictions for both C/O and Arizona! (And I snorted some coffee at your deft reminder of Jessica's industry relations... Point!)
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Post by browncoatwhit on Aug 1, 2012 14:05:32 GMT -5
Huh! You are spot on there! I hadn't thought of it that way before, but you're right! **hates Meredith just a little bit more...**
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Post by trinity on Aug 1, 2012 14:51:37 GMT -5
Just a couple of quick responses: 2. Callie/Owen is a complete non-starter. That was established in the AU episode last year. The writers will not go there - the back lash would be too brutal and it makes absolutely no story sense whatsoever. I CAN see Owen helping out with Zola and/or Sofia, just to torture the C/O fans a little more by showing us what a good father Owen would have been. But he will be nothing more than a friend, at most, to Callie. Oh yes! I was trying and failing to say it: I don't think Callie/Owen would be made into a couple! I just wouldn't put it past the writer's room to tease us with the possibility of the storyline going that direction. Because those wicked GA writers are made of cruel. Just for the record -- I agree with your predictions for both C/O and Arizona! (And I snorted some coffee at your deft reminder of Jessica's industry relations... Point!) I subscribe to what HopeW said. Callie and AZ are Shonda's favorite couple and the only gay couple in the show. Shonda Rhimes would not give up on that. I do not think she will kill Arizona. And even in Shonda's twisted logic I do not see the point of putting Callie and Owen together. If anything, the AU episode from last season showed the absurdity of that relationship, in her own words "they had no business in being together". JMHO.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Aug 1, 2012 18:07:07 GMT -5
I agree with Trinity and HopeW that Calzona are Shonda's faves as well. I guess Shonda doesn't get that even though happiness 24/7 will get old, so does angst. viewers need a balance of light and dark, with a little grey in between otherwise u run the risk of pigeon holeing the characters which is not good.
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Post by llindssey_CO on Aug 2, 2012 20:20:40 GMT -5
I have to agree about AZ and Callie also..Although I do think Callie has had some pretty crappy luck. Them as a couple tho..pretty easy sailing... I have not once thought they were ever in real big danger. You could just tell they'd be fine in 2 episodes. Callie and Owen were actually my crack ship..UNtil they showed what it could be like...haha, crushed everything. lol I love the friendship Callie and Owen have though, She's always sticking up for him..I think because She knows she's not perfect. Unlike someone else who's always butting in... (cough mer..) I just hope that with C and O being at different hospitals we still get enough story/screen time for them.. thats what has me worried.
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Post by oystersandco on Aug 6, 2012 6:04:35 GMT -5
So many news to catch up on... There has been some info on shooting at the original firehouse location this week along with table read for 903. As you all might have come across the sides with the appraiser and Steve who could be Owen. "The appraiser is in Steve's living room inspecting furniture and jewelry. She stops at an antique armoire and asks if he's planning on refinishing before selling it. They discuss the armoire a bit, the appraiser says he needs to be comfortable with the price before putting it on the market. He says he's not. Appraiser understands the process can be emotional, especially when selling a family piece." It could be Meredith selling her house as well, but the line where the appraiser asks if he is planning to refinish the armoire puzzles me, because Owen did a lot of work in the firehouse on his own, so it could be him. I can´t remember if there is an armoire in the livingroom. I think there is one in the bedroom, isn´t there? But the antique armoire could be a cover for the fireplace as well. The words which don´t match CO would be a family piece and jewellery. But they are filming on location of the original house with the appraiser in the sides which is significant but could still be misleading. And it seems Steve doesn´t want to sell anything. It is not clear to me from the sides if Steve wants to sell the house or just the armoire and some jewellery. It´s difficult to speculate but would Owen and Cristina ever consider selling their house? Actually, I can imagine it if Crisitna has filed for divorce already and Owen doesn´t want to live there and she wants to sell it, but according to SR´ s "promise" they should be working on getting back together not further apart. Actually when I read the sides and saw they were filming at the firehouse (I mean exterior scene) I thought it was Owen, because there are few reasons why you need an exterior scene and the last time if I remember correctly it was with an realtor showing the place to Cristina and Owen. And I'm really concerned about it as I think Shonda is capable of making CO get divorced and be together later in the season, which I think is stupid. But at the contrary I don't see Owen selling the firehouse even if he's not with Cristina anymore. So hopefully (I'm praying for that) this is Derek selling the dream house, the house isn't totally finished and he did a lot work in it.
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Post by mesilla on Aug 6, 2012 7:54:59 GMT -5
In regards to the firehouse situation I am of two minds:
Yes it was an incredibly selfless thing that Cristina did. Buying a house she was very "meh" about just because Owen loved it.. In that time it was appropriate growth for the character. But, sentimentally, has anything that awesome happened in the firehouse? I'm asking cause its early and I can't think right now...but I don't think so. If anything I a, sure it harbors painful memories for Owen and we know Cristina wasn't ever in love with it. SR is big on obvious symbolism...perhaps this is her attempt to wipe their slate clean. Besides, I think that if they do end up together (and I have faith) it would be nice for them to pick a home together. After they decide what kind of house they need.
Grey's does like to keep the sets as low budget as they can. Hence Callie and Arizona keeping C/C old place. Additionally, Callie moving in to Cristina's. And how many times has Derek's trailer been used? Izzy and Karev, then just Karev...
Heres a wild guess: Owen moves into Teddy's cottage because he feels bad and didn't want to stick her with the penalty for leaving early and because the memories of the firehouse are too painful. Right on the ocean(supposedly) it presents a very romantic setting. Besides, they used the green screen thing for Addison's back deck on private practice. Can't be that expensive!
Can I just say that I love Cristina as a character. She was my favorite for a long time, but I will be gutted to see Owen lonely for the majority of a season. d**n it, at least let him get a dog! something sweet and fury that can keep him company! :-)
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Post by hopew on Aug 6, 2012 9:37:20 GMT -5
Shonda did say that the casting sides were being faked this year to avoid spoilers. So it probably doesn't make too much sense to spend a lot on energy speculating on what they mean.
But, with that said, I think the 9.03 side with the "appraiser" and Keck's tweet about Grey's casting a "perky realtor" may mean that someone is selling a house, but IMO the house being sold is much more likely to be Mer's mother's house than the fire house. Owen still needs a place to live; Mer/Der now have two places so it just seems logical they would sell one of them. The sides implied a sentimental attachment to the thing being sold, and that there was something kind of "old" about it that needs repair or refinishing. Mer's mother's house fits that second part of that description better than the fire house, which really is completely new inside now. With Lexie gone, there is no one left to live in Mer's house (April, Jackson and Alex had all moved away already, and who knows which of them will be living in Seattle in 9.03 anyway) unless Mer and Derek decide to stay there and instead sell the dream house. Either way, there is a realtor involved.
It may be wishful thinking (because I really do NOT want them to sell the fire house), but I'm going to believe that the place being sold is one of Mer's houses for as long as I can!
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Post by mesilla on Aug 6, 2012 11:00:52 GMT -5
As you implied, it is difficult to say if Cristina really liked living there. A lot of painful memories although they did have a few nice scenes and it is a lovely house to live in. I didn´t like back in Season 7 when Owen was practically removed from anything that had to do with the firehouse, what he did there happened off screen. Cristina bought the furniture with Callie and discussed other things with Derek, nothing with Owen. They haven´t even shared a scene at the housewarming party. I feel liked C/O def got the best love story as far as main characters go. It was gritty and messy, but honest. Nothing but love could keep those two together after all that. But I think you are right, we missed a lot of their mini milestones as a couple...whether because of the PTSD or even just because it was glanced over. And I know sides are very misleading...BUT if the side is a realtor, and if it is Owen trying to sell the firehouse...he would need Cristina's signature. Just saying!
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Post by abbyfactor on Aug 6, 2012 13:18:41 GMT -5
It was their first home together. I would call that pretty sentimental. Cristina may not have loved the place to begin with but that doesn't mean she didn't enjoy living there with Owen. I for one wouldn't be thrilled with them selling the firehouse because we've literally watched that home being built even if a lot of it was offscreen and it was the backdrop for important scenes between them both good and bad.
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Post by trinity on Aug 6, 2012 13:51:12 GMT -5
The firehouse represents Cristina and Owen as a couple. SR's choice for them wasn't random. It doesn't need to happen something really extraordinary. It is the house that Owen had remade from scratch. He did everything in that house and if it was to keep true to his charcater, Owen would never ever sell that house and he would never move from there if Cristina chooses to leave for Mayo. It is their house and he will always see it that way, just as he will always see Cristina as his wife no matter what happens to them.
I don't understand from where the implication that Cristina doesn't like living there. She may have been indiferent in the beginning but the way I saw it is that she came to love that place very much. Because it is her and Owen's place and where they started their life together.
They spent a lot of time building that set, I don't see the point on giving up on it. Until proved the contrary (sides are misleading many times) I hold on my theory that Meredith is the one selling the house, which would make more logic to me.
Picking up furniture together might be something that is important for someone else, but not for C/O just as it wasn't important for them that Cristina didn't wear white at their wedding or whether they had vows or not. They don't fall into the pattern and that is one of the many things I've loved about them as a couple.
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Post by hopew on Aug 6, 2012 14:44:32 GMT -5
The firehouse represents Cristina and Owen as a couple. SR's choice for them wasn't random. It doesn't need to happen something really extraordinary. It is the house that Owen had remade from scratch. He did everything in that house and if it was to keep true to his charcater, Owen would never ever sell that house and he would never move from there if Cristina chooses to leave for Mayo. It is their house and he will always see it that way, just as he will always see Cristina as his wife no matter what happens to them. I don't understand from where the implication that Cristina doesn't like living there. She may have been indiferent in the beginning but the way I saw it is that she came to love that place very much. Because it is her and Owen's place and where they started their life together. They spent a lot of time building that set, I don't see the point on giving up on it. Until proved the contrary (sides are misleading many times) I hold on my theory that Meredith is the one selling the house, which would make more logic to me. Picking up furniture together might be something that is important for someone else, but not for C/O just as it wasn't important for them that Cristina didn't wear white at their wedding or whether they had vows or not. They don't fall into the pattern and that is one of the many things I've loved about them as a couple. ITA with trinity on this, especially the part I bolded above. Remember at the very end of Season 7, when Owen told Cristina to "get out" after she scheduled the abortion without talking to him? When Cristina went to Mer, she said "Owen just kicked me out of my house." MY house - not "the" house or "his" house. IMO she didn't say that because many, many months before she had been the one who signed the offer on the house with the realtor. She said that because THEY had subsequently bought the house (does anyone other than the Owen-haters really think that Cristina literally paid for the house by herself?); THEY had made it into the place they lived together. The fire house had become Cristina's home. The only way Owen would sell the fire house is if HE was giving up entirely on his marriage, and that is not what we saw at the end of Season 8 or what we expect to see at the beginning of Season 9. He told Cristina she is the love of his life; he will never love another woman; he will always be in love with her. He's not going to rush to sell the home they built together, the home he literally built for her, only a month or two after she starts her fellowship at Mayo. He's going to want to give her a place to come back to when she is ready to do that. Mer is selling her mother's house OR (maybe) Callie or Derek is selling Mark's things or his apartment since he will probably be dead by 9.03. But I can't believe that Owen is selling the fire house. JMHO.
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Post by hopew on Aug 6, 2012 16:40:36 GMT -5
According to the news, they are filming at the location tomorrow, but I wonder if it is 902 or already 903??? Debbie Allen is directing 903, but have they already had table read for 903? If it is 902, could it be that Cristina comes home from Boise with Owen and stays there for some time before leaving? Let´s hope for some info from extras or passers by, at least if we could find out who is on the set and if it is 902 or 903. That is an interesting observation. I just checked back - the table read for 9.02 was July 26. I don't think we've heard anything about the table read for 9.03 - it may not have taken place yet. They usually spend 9-10 days shooting each episode. So filming tomorrow could be for 9.02 rather than 9.03, which would mean that the scene with the realtor (which is in the 9.03 sides and seems to be an interior scene anyway) would have nothing at all to do with the exterior shoot at the fire house. If the exterior fire house scene is in 9.02, it could be Owen and Cristina arriving back from Boise, or saying goodbye as she leaves for Minnesota.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Aug 6, 2012 21:50:56 GMT -5
The house selling spoiler reads like Richard to me. OC's house is already refinished and remodeled, move in ready. Why would the realtor be askig owen if he plans to refinish? Plus it would make sense bc we have seen Richard's house it is huge esp for someone living alone and now that Adele is in a facility there is no real reason to hold on to such a big home. It would make sense also that Richard would become very upset lile that Owen would not show that much emotion with someone e didnt know. Plus te realtor talks about antiques etc., OC really dont seem like the antique type. They are more into elegant/modern decor. just a thought
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Post by karen on Aug 6, 2012 23:52:06 GMT -5
Haven't popped in in a while, but here are my brief predictions:
1) I think Arizona is totally losing a leg (a nice harkback to S8 premiere) -- SR will never give CA actual unhappiness in the form of conflict between them (doesn't have the guts to do a REAL groundbreaking story like a lesbian divorce), but will give them "hardship" that doesn't harm viewers attitudes towards the characters
2) I was really afraid that the firehouse would be sold, but the info you have all come up with since makes it seem that it may be Richard instead -- certainly nothing heirloom like in CO house. And frankly, if that beautiful firehouse gets sold before we get our CO pole sliding -- well, that would just be wrong.
3) As for CO, what we get is usually even worse than the worst thing I can imagine for them, even though I know they will end up together. The question for me is how long will C be at Mayo? Hopefully, it won't be dragged out for more than 3 episodes or so (my only real enjoyment from this show is watching KMK & SO in scenes together) - I do like someone's angle that while they were together physically last season, they were spiritually apart, while being physically apart could have the contrary effect. I would really like to see Cristina missing Owen -- especially as someone who she wants to relate her triumphs too. I don't think you can have too many episodes with new characters before you really start to have to incorporate them into the show, so hopefully that's in favor of C coming back soon (what is the time jump supposed to be?) I wonder if in a strange way, Owen will end up taking Mark's role as father figure for Sophia. (poor Mark, the only cast member who has ever departed this show that I will actually miss.) Once again, this would be SR cruelly twisting the knife - not as bad as seeing C so OOC in gushing over Zola, but still twisting needlessly. On the other hand, I don't actually plan to watch the show this season until CO are reunited. I think someone above mentioned the possibility of Meredith having to turn to Owen for some support -- I think that would be really interesting.
4) and please, I really do hope that C hears what a horrible, horrible lecture Meredith gave to Owen at the beginning of S8 and is horrified by it.
Sorry if I sound like too much of a downer : ) Well, I'm still here and still fighting for my favorite fictional couple to get the exciting story that is just waiting to be told.
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Post by mesilla on Aug 7, 2012 14:40:50 GMT -5
Good point about the side being Richard. He probably does have nice furniture to sell.
Also, I'm not worried about the firehouse scene. The place they are filming at is the exterior/garage only. Same place they filmed ghostbusters says google. They are on 9x02 or 9x03 at this point. If its 9x03...that's awesome!!!! Means Cristina is back! If it's 9x02...it's just Cristina and Meredith talking before c goes back to mayo. Which we already knows happens.
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Post by mesilla on Aug 7, 2012 14:42:46 GMT -5
It could go this way as browncoatwhit and karen suggested that Owen would get the opportunity to be a sort of dad for Sophia. Mark will be gone, Arizona badly injured and maybe paralysed. Owen had a very sweet scene with Sophia last season, but no scenes with Zola that would bring him joy, it was just pain looking at Cristina being all loving with Zola. It is possible that Owen can step up and support both Callie as well as Meredith as hopew speculated before, and help them take care of their babies in a way. Besides Owen being a chief, with Cristina away this could fill the void in his personal life, having something to do after work, being a dad in Shonda´s twisted vision and to build up his friendship with Callie and hopefully will see Meredith realising her judgement of Owen is all kinds of wrong and evil. I would love to see this. Owen has some making up to do in the eyes of the viewers. This would help. Plus, would make Cristina's heart ache...make her think maybe.
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Post by trinity on Aug 7, 2012 16:26:53 GMT -5
Good point about the side being Richard. He probably does have nice furniture to sell. Also, I'm not worried about the firehouse scene. The place they are filming at is the exterior/garage only. Same place they filmed ghostbusters says google. They are on 9x02 or 9x03 at this point. If its 9x03...that's awesome!!!! Means Cristina is back! If it's 9x02...it's just Cristina and Meredith talking before c goes back to mayo. Which we already knows happens. They are filming 9.02, having table read for 9.03.
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