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Post by kaz on Jan 17, 2013 3:45:21 GMT -5
GREY'S ANATOMY: The End Is the Beginning Is the End
THE DOCTORS RECEIVE NEWS ABOUT THEIR LAWSUIT, ON ABC'S "GREY'S ANATOMY"
"The End is the Beginning is the End" - Meredith, Derek, Cristina and Arizona receive big news regarding the plane crash lawsuit, Richard avoids Catherine's romantic advances and Jackson takes on one of Mark Sloane's old patients. Meanwhile, Derek begins recovery on his hand, on "Grey's Anatomy," THURSDAY, JANUARY 17 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
"Grey's Anatomy" stars Ellen Pompeo as Meredith Grey, Patrick Dempsey as Derek Shepherd, Sandra Oh as Cristina Yang, Justin Chambers as Alex Karev, Chandra Wilson as Miranda Bailey, James Pickens, Jr. as Richard Webber, Sara Ramirez as Callie Torres, Eric Dane as Mark Sloan, Kevin McKidd as Owen Hunt, Jessica Capshaw as Arizona Robbins, Jesse Williams as Jackson Avery and Sarah Drew as April Kepner.
Guest cast TBD.
"The End is the Beginning is the End" was written by Joan Rater and directed by Cherie Nowlan.
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This thread is for your thoughts, comments, rants, reviews etc about this week's episode.
Please refrain from posting until after the episode has aired.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Jan 17, 2013 22:32:51 GMT -5
This lawsuit is that terrible, horrible, no-good gift that just keeps giving and giving and giving... and just won't go the hell away! (I so want to stomp my feet and throw a tantrum as I type that...)
What I liked about the episode?
Owen laughing and in jeans. ::fanning self:: Mmmmm baby. What's not to love about that combination?
Cristina again proves herself the better friend than Meredith. Meredith is so completely wrapped up in herself. She hasn't a clue that Cristina has her halfway figured out... now, I'm just waiting for Cristina to figure out the rest, that Meredith doesn't "know" her anymore...
I cheered when Cristina tried to have a heart-felt conversation with Owen, instead of just a make-out sessions. And I cheered again when Cristina took her paddle (figuratively, at least) to Dereck. FINALLY! Cristina is fighting for Owen!
Things I didn't care for so much:
I really dislike it that Owen is going backwards professionally, and having on-call room nookie sessions with Cristina on hospital grounds again. I HATE that! You could argue from a storytelling aspect that maybe I should just be happy with getting some mid-episode nookie for them at all, since otherwise it's difficult to explain how they'd get away from work long enough, considering their respective jobs. However, I would have appreciated it if the writers of the show could have kept Owen consistent and simply showed those two as getting a hotel room and having a long lunch hour or something! ::sigh... ::
And of course, the hospital going broke because of the lawsuit... because of some "no more than two attendees on one plane" sub-clause ridiculosity. Oh please. REALLY? The realism fairy so just does not exist for this show -- or if she does, her fairy wand is all manner of busted! So of course, our heroes are going to ultimately just return their $15 million each to the hospital? Can they name Seattle Grace the Seattle Grace Lexie-Sloan Mercy House of Death and Dysfunctionality", the way corporate sponsors who shell out the huge bucks get to rename stadiums?
Things I'm still waiting to see:
What in the hell has happened to the firehouse? Did it just get casually sold off during the last two episodes or something? Is Owen still living there? Why in the heck would Cristina live in Karev's place -- with no furniture, no plates and no utensils -- for more than a month, when she could be living in a freaking remodeled FIREHOUSE? Ladies & gents, I propose that this alone is the most freakishly ridiculous, unbelievable, laughable and raspberry-worthy thing that Grey's Anatomy has expected me to blindly accept since the business of Ghost Sex. Karev's place. Way-cool superfine firehouse. I find it amazing that Sandra Oh hasn't quit in frustration at the sheer idiocy of how this reflects upon her character...
... oh wait... oh yeah... Thanks for that little reminder. Quitting would mean no more liplocking with Kevin McKidd...
Yeah. Right. Okay. So I guess I can see why Sandra Oh hasn't thrown up her hands in despair and quit the show yet after all. I'd guess put up with all manner of Shondaland B.S. for that job perk, too... But still, I do hope that the marvelous firehouse hasn't just disappeared into the mists of Seattle Grace inconsistencies, because I LOVE that place! Owen needs to still be living there, and Cristina needs to decide to move back in with him on a roomie basis. Just sayin'.
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Post by S5fan on Jan 18, 2013 12:43:33 GMT -5
I´m totally disappointed with the storyline for the new beginning for Cristina and Owen. Beyond any words. The last scene with them taking photos Cristina shouting baby and Owen devastated in the office. I can´t really handle watching this scene. Cristina repeating Owen is not her husband all the time and she doesn´t know what he is. The dependency between Cristina and Meredith is still pretty strong. I understood that actually only when Meredith is happy with pregnancy she lets Cristina know. Poor Derek. And the lawsuit? What sheer nonsense. But it´s nice that Kevin is given some comedy to play on the show.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jan 19, 2013 3:06:57 GMT -5
I actually thought it was great seeing them just enjoying each other and being together. Owens reaction when Cristina bursts out laughing after he tells her about how he confused Jo with her was hilarious. And it was so sweet how he climbed in bed with her and they were giggling. I forgot what it was like to see them smile and laugh.
I really don't see the issue with them having sex at work. Everyone does it on this show. And to me at least it's not just them being bed buddies. They are taking time to get to know each other again and having meaningful conversations. If you noticed in that conversation they both talked about some concerns with the suit and were supportive of each other in the process. It's obvious that they are both afraid to start defining what they are at the moment bc of the stress of explanation. We already see how the others in the group like mer and der are questioning what OC are doing as if they want to set them up for failure. I think the reason Cristina is careful to not refer to Owen as her bus and is because he isn't. It's another label, and right now they aren't interested in labels and definitions they just want to be together and this is the healthiest I have seen them in a while. Owen changed the subject from Derek in the on call room bc he didn't want even a petty conflict to start. Which is understandable. But I was really impressed when she said to Owen "Don't be a martyr" because he always takes on that role of savior or martyr which burns him in the end.
I really liked that we saw Cristina defend Owen to Derek. It shows as well that she has forgiven him too, which is more important, but I think she realizes how hurt Owen has been for so long, she wants to keep their fresh start as obstacle free for now. I was kind of surprised to see Meredith reacting kind of annoyed when she talked to cris about Owen at first. Later on she seemed fine but when they had the whole "I don't know what we are" moment like in 5.14, she seemed bothered by it. Oh well I am just glad we are finally getting lightness we have been waiting for the last 3 seasons of torture. Hope if they have to have another anvil that it just makes them stronger.
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Post by hopew on Jan 19, 2013 8:02:37 GMT -5
I actually thought it was great seeing them just enjoying each other and being together. Owens reaction when Cristina bursts out laughing after he tells her about how he confused Jo with her was hilarious. And it was so sweet how he climbed in bed with her and they were giggling. I forgot what it was like to see them smile and laugh. I really don't see the issue with them having sex at work. Everyone does it on this show. And to me at least it's not just them being bed buddies. They are taking time to get to know each other again and having meaningful conversations. If you noticed in that conversation they both talked about some concerns with the suit and were supportive of each other in the process. It's obvious that they are both afraid to start defining what they are at the moment bc of the stress of explanation. We already see how the others in the group like mer and der are questioning what OC are doing as if they want to set them up for failure. I think the reason Cristina is careful to not refer to Owen as her bus and is because he isn't. It's another label, and right now they aren't interested in labels and definitions they just want to be together and this is the healthiest I have seen them in a while. Owen changed the subject from Derek in the on call room bc he didn't want even a petty conflict to start. Which is understandable. But I was really impressed when she said to Owen "Don't be a martyr" because he always takes on that role of savior or martyr which burns him in the end. I really liked that we saw Cristina defend Owen to Derek. It shows as well that she has forgiven him too, which is more important, but I think she realizes how hurt Owen has been for so long, she wants to keep their fresh start as obstacle free for now. I was kind of surprised to see Meredith reacting kind of annoyed when she talked to cris about Owen at first. Later on she seemed fine but when they had the whole "I don't know what we are" moment like in 5.14, she seemed bothered by it. Oh well I am just glad we are finally getting lightness we have been waiting for the last 3 seasons of torture. Hope if they have to have another anvil that it just makes them stronger. I finally had a moment to post something about this episode but now I don't have to, because marryme posted EXACTLY what I was thinking. ITA with everything in this post. So now I can use my time to watch the C/O scenes in this episode again!
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Post by deneeane on Jan 19, 2013 8:40:57 GMT -5
was kind of surprised to see Meredith reacting kind of annoyed when she talked to cris about Owen at first. Later on she seemed fine but when they had the whole "I don't know what we are" moment like in 5.14, she seemed bothered by it. I like this part because to me I think that Meredith wants Cristina to completely get rid of Owen she doesnt like him she doesn't trust him. And it annoys her that Cristina has so much love for Owen she can't understand what is keeping them together. Owen and Cristina's bond is even stronger then her and Meredith's which to me says that Owen is a threat to Meredith he is taking her person away and nothing can change that now I shall fade away into the darkness
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Post by hopew on Jan 19, 2013 10:34:05 GMT -5
I just re-watched the scenes (thank you, COforever!), and it is always interesting to realize how differently we can each view the same scenes.
For example, I didn't see any annoyance in Meredith, or any indication that she is still threatened by Owen (although I certainly agree that she was in the past). Maybe I'm just filtering that brief scene between Cristina and Meredith through the context of other scenes between them in recent episodes, when Meredith seemed at least at peace if not pleased with the idea of Cristina and Owen reconciling (I'm remembering in particular the scene in front of the surgical board in 9.09, when Mer tells Cristina that she just found out that the divorce was only because of the lawsuit and assumed it meant that Owen and Cristina were getting back together).
I think the cumulative effect of the recent interactions between Cristina and Mer is that they are finally, finally beginning to act more like "normal" (whatever that is in Shondaworld) close friends and less like unhealthy co-dependents. Mer waited through her full first trimester to tell Cristina about the pregnancy, and when she did she told her at the same time she told everyone else. Last time Mer was pregnant, Cristina knew before Derek. And when Cristina was deciding whether to go to Owen and tell him she wanted to reconcile, there was a moment she could have discussed that with Mer (when everyone was dressing to go to Bailey's wedding and Mer asked Cristina for help with her bracelet), but Cristina made up her own mind and acted on it without involving Mer. I HOPE we are seeing a real decision on the part of the writers to have Mer and Cristina put their "marriages" and their "husbands" first in their lives. Which is not to say that people in committed relationships don't also have close friends, but the Mer/Cris dynamic has been more on the level of middle school than adult behavior IMO.
And, on another point, ITA that it is ridiculous that Cristina - - an MD/PhD, Board-certified surgeon doing a fellowship in cardio in her thirties - - is living in an empty house sleeping on a mattress on the floor. It's as dumb as the Chief of Surgery at a major hospital living in a borrowed trailer in the woods. I miss the firehouse too. But I'm willing to wait and see what happens. Maybe the firehouse has just been sent to the Grey's equivalent of Hogwart's "Room of Requirements," to be put in a cupboard until someone on the writing staff decides it needs to be taken out to make a plot point.
The situation isn't perfect, but I felt this episode showed some real progress in a lot of areas. So I'm going to keep enjoying the feeling and not worry too much about what will go wrong next - - although we know, of course, that something will!
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Post by drwyatt on Jan 19, 2013 10:34:47 GMT -5
It's interesting to read that people felt Mer was hostile about the subject of Owen. I don't remember that at all. Wasn't she just teasing her about the sexting? ETA: hopew and I posted simultaneously, and she described my reactions perfectly
ETA: I am also remembering Mer and Cristina's talk on the bench (how will he know if I've changed if he won't frigging talk to me?) Mer says, "You want Owen back; We've changed." There's two ways to view that remark, I think: one is to see a continuation of Mer's unhealthy symbiosis with Cristina, or two, (which is how I see it), she was saying that Cristina was forgiving Owen, and that Mer had changed and was done judging the relationship. I think her interactions with Owen all season have subtly shown that shift as well.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jan 19, 2013 12:11:44 GMT -5
I actually thought it was great seeing them just enjoying each other and being together. Owens reaction when Cristina bursts out laughing after he tells her about how he confused Jo with her was hilarious. And it was so sweet how he climbed in bed with her and they were giggling. I forgot what it was like to see them smile and laugh. I really don't see the issue with them having sex at work. Everyone does it on this show. And to me at least it's not just them being bed buddies. They are taking time to get to know each other again and having meaningful conversations. If you noticed in that conversation they both talked about some concerns with the suit and were supportive of each other in the process. It's obvious that they are both afraid to start defining what they are at the moment bc of the stress of explanation. We already see how the others in the group like mer and der are questioning what OC are doing as if they want to set them up for failure. I think the reason Cristina is careful to not refer to Owen as her bus and is because he isn't. It's another label, and right now they aren't interested in labels and definitions they just want to be together and this is the healthiest I have seen them in a while. Owen changed the subject from Derek in the on call room bc he didn't want even a petty conflict to start. Which is understandable. But I was really impressed when she said to Owen "Don't be a martyr" because he always takes on that role of savior or martyr which burns him in the end. I really liked that we saw Cristina defend Owen to Derek. It shows as well that she has forgiven him too, which is more important, but I think she realizes how hurt Owen has been for so long, she wants to keep their fresh start as obstacle free for now. I was kind of surprised to see Meredith reacting kind of annoyed when she talked to cris about Owen at first. Later on she seemed fine but when they had the whole "I don't know what we are" moment like in 5.14, she seemed bothered by it. Oh well I am just glad we are finally getting lightness we have been waiting for the last 3 seasons of torture. Hope if they have to have another anvil that it just makes them stronger. I finally had a moment to post something about this episode but now I don't have to, because marryme posted EXACTLY what I was thinking. ITA with everything in this post. So now I can use my time to watch the C/O scenes in this episode again! LOL Glad to be of service hopew!
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Post by S5fan on Jan 19, 2013 12:51:34 GMT -5
was kind of surprised to see Meredith reacting kind of annoyed when she talked to cris about Owen at first. Later on she seemed fine but when they had the whole "I don't know what we are" moment like in 5.14, she seemed bothered by it. I like this part because to me I think that Meredith wants Cristina to completely get rid of Owen she doesnt like him she doesn't trust him. And it annoys her that Cristina has so much love for Owen she can't understand what is keeping them together. Owen and Cristina's bond is even stronger then her and Meredith's which to me says that Owen is a threat to Meredith he is taking her person away and nothing can change that now I shall fade away into the darkness ITA. The tone when she speaks to Cristina in the scene after April leaves is horrible - like what are you doing again? If you notice how sarcastically she said sexting at the dinner table. I can´t stand Meredith. Derek is a little better in this aspect, after Cristina talked some sense into him although she should have been much more straightforward in my opinion, at least he realised something and called Owen to join them. Meredith was completely fine that Owen wasn´t there.
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Post by trinity on Jan 19, 2013 17:54:15 GMT -5
I actually thought it was great seeing them just enjoying each other and being together. Owens reaction when Cristina bursts out laughing after he tells her about how he confused Jo with her was hilarious. And it was so sweet how he climbed in bed with her and they were giggling. I forgot what it was like to see them smile and laugh. I really don't see the issue with them having sex at work. Everyone does it on this show. And to me at least it's not just them being bed buddies. They are taking time to get to know each other again and having meaningful conversations. If you noticed in that conversation they both talked about some concerns with the suit and were supportive of each other in the process. It's obvious that they are both afraid to start defining what they are at the moment bc of the stress of explanation. We already see how the others in the group like mer and der are questioning what OC are doing as if they want to set them up for failure. I think the reason Cristina is careful to not refer to Owen as her bus and is because he isn't. It's another label, and right now they aren't interested in labels and definitions they just want to be together and this is the healthiest I have seen them in a while. Owen changed the subject from Derek in the on call room bc he didn't want even a petty conflict to start. Which is understandable. But I was really impressed when she said to Owen "Don't be a martyr" because he always takes on that role of savior or martyr which burns him in the end. I really liked that we saw Cristina defend Owen to Derek. It shows as well that she has forgiven him too, which is more important, but I think she realizes how hurt Owen has been for so long, she wants to keep their fresh start as obstacle free for now. I was kind of surprised to see Meredith reacting kind of annoyed when she talked to cris about Owen at first. Later on she seemed fine but when they had the whole "I don't know what we are" moment like in 5.14, she seemed bothered by it. Oh well I am just glad we are finally getting lightness we have been waiting for the last 3 seasons of torture. Hope if they have to have another anvil that it just makes them stronger. I finally had a moment to post something about this episode but now I don't have to, because marryme posted EXACTLY what I was thinking. ITA with everything in this post. So now I can use my time to watch the C/O scenes in this episode again! While I had some trouble with this episode, at least after the first watch I basically agree with what you said. I get what the writers are trying to do, though I don't fully enjoy how they are doing it. Seeing Cristina and Owen light and fun as definitely a breath of fresh air that we all needed. Sandra and Kevin can do comedy as great as they do angst scenes. This episode proved it. I would have wanted a little bit more from Cristina when she asked Derek to forgive Owen. I know she personally knows Owen is not responsible and there is nothing to forgive. I get that she used the word "forgive" as a way to get Derek hear what she was saying. Otherwise the message wouldn't have reached to him, because in situations like these Derek can be very "black and white". The whole accusation came out of nowhere, even more so when Derek and Mer knew that Cristina and Owen got the divorce because of the lawsuit. So what Derek tells Owen there, was really nasty and hypocritical. (I would have liked to hear what Cristina had actually to say about Derek before Owen started kissing her. Owen let the woman talk! What I didn't like and bothered me a lot is the complete dismissal the writers made out of their marriage. They made it look like a complete joke, when we all know and saw that the marriage really meant something for both Owen and Cristina. I get they don't want to put a label on their relationship right now, but I found it really unnecessary to make Cristina say at least 3 times throughout this episode that Owen is not her husband. We got the point. What "having sex with a guy who used to be your husband is way more fun than when he was your husband" suppose to mean exactly? I found this particular phrase kind of insulting. I also agree with HopeW and others about the living situation. It hurts my brain to make a logic how a month after their reconciliation Cristina is still living in that no furniture house on a mattress. Even if they aren't ready to live together yet, Cristina can go live at the firehouse and Owen still stay at the trailer for a while. I really hope we will see the firehouse soon. I am hoping in the next episodes they will slowly start addressing their issues. It's clear to me that they are more communicative, they do talk to each other and I did like a lot that Cristina wanted Owen to be there with her at the dinner. But the others attitude re Cristina and Owen's divorce - when they all know now that one of the main reason they went through with it was because of the lawsuit - just bugs me. None said anything, made any comment, show at least a bit of concern there, or gratitude. I can't call them friends. And I still hate that the got the divorce. I won't even mention the lawsuit, because that storyline is just too ridiculous and doesn't make absolutely any sense.
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Post by kaz on Jan 20, 2013 6:50:57 GMT -5
I actually thought it was great seeing them just enjoying each other and being together. Owens reaction when Cristina bursts out laughing after he tells her about how he confused Jo with her was hilarious. And it was so sweet how he climbed in bed with her and they were giggling. I forgot what it was like to see them smile and laugh. I really don't see the issue with them having sex at work. Everyone does it on this show. And to me at least it's not just them being bed buddies. They are taking time to get to know each other again and having meaningful conversations. If you noticed in that conversation they both talked about some concerns with the suit and were supportive of each other in the process. It's obvious that they are both afraid to start defining what they are at the moment bc of the stress of explanation. We already see how the others in the group like mer and der are questioning what OC are doing as if they want to set them up for failure. I think the reason Cristina is careful to not refer to Owen as her bus and is because he isn't. It's another label, and right now they aren't interested in labels and definitions they just want to be together and this is the healthiest I have seen them in a while. Owen changed the subject from Derek in the on call room bc he didn't want even a petty conflict to start. Which is understandable. But I was really impressed when she said to Owen "Don't be a martyr" because he always takes on that role of savior or martyr which burns him in the end. I really liked that we saw Cristina defend Owen to Derek. It shows as well that she has forgiven him too, which is more important, but I think she realizes how hurt Owen has been for so long, she wants to keep their fresh start as obstacle free for now. I was kind of surprised to see Meredith reacting kind of annoyed when she talked to cris about Owen at first. Later on she seemed fine but when they had the whole "I don't know what we are" moment like in 5.14, she seemed bothered by it. Oh well I am just glad we are finally getting lightness we have been waiting for the last 3 seasons of torture. Hope if they have to have another anvil that it just makes them stronger. Ditto to everything you said. Cristina and Cristina and Owen seemed so different to me this episode, and I kind of loved it. They have a long way to go and obviously need to cover ground like living arrangements and defining what they are/mean to each other but this was episode one of moving forward. Shonda isn't going to give us everything we want in the first week and I am sure is saving those issues I have already mentioned for future episodes. Things that really stood out for me. - Owen and Cristina laughing and being fun and sweet with each other. First we had the scene in Cristina's bed, then the Mr Grabby exchange and the cute 'take off your shirt' on call room bit. - Cristina being GENUINELY happy that Meredith is pregnant - with beaming smile and everything. - The way O and C talked in the on call room. Cristina in particular seemed so candid and soft and so very unlike the abrasive and dismissive Cristina Yang we have come to know. She truly seems to me to have changed and I think it has had an obvious impact on them as a couple.
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Post by justine on Jan 20, 2013 17:41:08 GMT -5
Cristina and Owen are still making the same mistake again: they are burrying themself with lot of sex...not complaining about their scenes together, really enjoyed them, missed them being happy and laugthing so much !
They do not talk, they do not know what they are to each other. They are like two teenages hooking up.
The episode was light hearted for CO but during the call on scene, there is a music that announces another drama...yeah another one to come for our beloved couple.
At the end of the episode I were about to grap Cristina by her hair in order to yell at her to wake up and to start to make the work stat ! she must and has to figure it out about what she wants. In fact both of them.
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Post by kaz on Jan 20, 2013 18:57:59 GMT -5
Cristina and Owen are still making the same mistake again: they are burrying themself with lot of sex...not complaining about their scenes together, really enjoyed them, missed them being happy and laugthing so much ! They do not talk, they do not know what they are to each other. They are like two teenages hooking up. The episode was light hearted for CO but during the call on scene, there is a music that announces another drama...yeah another one to come for our beloved couple. At the end of the episode I were about to grap Cristina by her hair in order to yell at her to wake up and to start to make the work stat ! she must and has to figure it out about what she wants. In fact both of them. I didn't see this like the other episodes where sex has clearly been a way NOT to talk and just to bury themselves in each other. They did talk this time and it was open and honest. Cristina was candid about wanting Owen to come to the dinner with her. Owen opened up more to show his guilt over the plane crash. Yes, they ended the scene deciding to leave the crash, the case and the past at the door and just enjoy the moment but that wasn't to hide from issues they didn't want to deal with, it was to stop talking about things they couldn't change in that moment. I know they haven't had the discussion about what they are to each other yet, and they definitely need to. But like I said, this is early days and Shonda has an entire half of a season to drag this rediscovery of their love & relationship out. At least, that's the way I see it. To me this didn't come across as a rehash of their past relationship. It was fresh, new and hopeful.
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Post by S5fan on Jan 21, 2013 8:04:44 GMT -5
Cristina and Owen are still making the same mistake again: they are burrying themself with lot of sex...not complaining about their scenes together, really enjoyed them, missed them being happy and laugthing so much ! They do not talk, they do not know what they are to each other. They are like two teenages hooking up. The episode was light hearted for CO but during the call on scene, there is a music that announces another drama...yeah another one to come for our beloved couple. At the end of the episode I were about to grap Cristina by her hair in order to yell at her to wake up and to start to make the work stat ! she must and has to figure it out about what she wants. In fact both of them. ITA. Justine. Especially the music, is an ill omen. I can´t understand what Shonda is doing, again the same thing all over again. Why didn´t we see them dating in this episode? Cristina trying to lure Owen by saying she will get drunk and dance on the table??? They are sexting again. What is it? Also why doesn´t she at least stop for a single second to think of the baby she aborted, maybe a little moment of silent contemplation (instead of commenting on how big Meredith´s boobs have become),she is all shiny and happy for Meredith. I can´t understand it. Owen seems lost as well. Maybe after all he thinks it is enough for them, to be like this in a non-specified sort of relationship. So many questions, no answers yet... I´m glad about one thing though - that Owen wasn´t at the dinner table, to see Cristina´s rejoiced face over Meredith´s announcement and feel horrible pain in his heart. He would have felt terrible there. I don´t think you can forget the pain if you wanted the baby.
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Post by hopew on Jan 21, 2013 9:22:49 GMT -5
I realized that I just agreed with marrymeowen's post above (which really stated my reactions to this episode very well), but didn't specifically post my own reactions to the C/O scenes.
What I think we were watching in this episode was Cristina and Owen rediscovering what they loved about each other, and getting to experience some of the fun aspects of first being together that they missed the first time around. I think it is useful to remember that George died moments after Cristina said "yes" to the idea of having a real relationship with Owen, then they went into that period of sexual abstinence so that Owen could make progress in his therapy. Their first time together after that was part of Cristina finally realizing that George was really gone. If they are now getting to experience the pure excitement of a new relationship that they missed two or three years ago, I say fine. I see this as progress, not regression.
I think they are talking - they are just being careful not to hurt each other again while they reconnect. Owen shared with Cris his embarrassment over the Jo incident in a funny and sweet way, and they laughed about it together. They were enjoying each other in that on-call room and the fact that they didn't have a heavy conversation about Derek and the lawsuit was fine with me - - as someone else said, they were just trying to avoid getting bogged down in things that were, in that moment, out of their control anyway. She asked him to the dinner because having him there would make it better for her; when she began to have fun at the dinner, she wanted him there to share her happiness. These are all good things, IMO.
I wasn't at all bothered by Cristina's happiness over Mer's pregnancy. Not everything that happens to Mer is about Cristina; not everything that happens to Cristina is about Meredith. Cristina is entitled to (and should) be happy because her friend is happy without relating Mer's situation to her own in every instance. With that said, I do expect that Mer's pregnancy with have some impact on Owen and Cristina and their eventual conversation about children. But that doesn't have to be hurtful to either of them, or the relationship. Whether they have children or not, they will go through their entire lives surrounded by other people with kids, including people they are close to. They have to come to a place where they are both at peace with whatever decision they make.
If Shonda had simply moved them back into the firehouse and had them together again as though nothing had happened, we'd be complaining that their issues were being ignored and buried. If Shonda had them continually talking about their problems and issues, we'd be complaining that we never see the joy in their relationship. I think we're watching the beginning of a process that will hopefully lead Cristina and Owen to a much better way of being together. Speaking only for myself, I'm happy to watch and see where that goes for now.
It was such a pleasure to see Owen smile and laugh again! JMHO.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jan 21, 2013 21:33:11 GMT -5
What I like most is that its not overly sweet at the moment, its just the right amount of sweet that you can appreciate the tenderness and respect that is going on between them. For once I feel like they are both on the same level, its not one person giving more than the other, or one taking.
While it appears they are avoiding their issues, I just think it is not the right time for them to get into it. The fact that they are trying not to let outside drama with Derek, etc. effect them is a good sign I think. Once they start alllowing people like meredith and derek get to them, they'll just fall back into the same patterns. I mean do we really want to see them having an intense conversation right now that would lead to more angsty moments between them? I definately do not. I just want to enjoy and revel in this side of OC for a little while.
Eventually we will get some kind of discussion, but after about 4 years of angst, a few episodes of lightness is a breath of fresh air.
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Post by kaz on Jan 21, 2013 21:37:22 GMT -5
Eventually we will get some kind of discussion, but after about 4 years of angst, a few episodes of lightness is a breath of fresh air. I agree and I think it's what most people have been asking Shonda to deliver for the last however many years - some fun, happiness and lightheartedness. The heavy will come, I am sure. But for now I am just enjoying this beginning phase, which we have never been privy to before.
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Post by S5fan on Jan 28, 2013 15:29:31 GMT -5
Callie´s speech during the survivor´s dinner makes me feel restless after rewatching and paying more attention to the scenes.
Callie to Cristina after she notices her texting: "What are you doing?" Cristina "Oh sorry. I'm just, uh, quick texting Owen." "Sexting." (Meredith says) Callie "No, she's-she's trying is what she's doing. Yeah. You just divorced the guy, and here you are texting him." Cristina "Mer's right. I'm sexting." Callie "Oh, well, even better. Mark would've loved that. Sex was the thing he loved more than anything else.
Basically Cristina agrees with Meredith here, not with Callie, she is trying by sexting, having sex with Owen. I think we are back to the period after abortion. I don´t like the reference to Mark in this case. Does it imply Cristina is like Mark? I´d think so. Also did Owen first tweet a sex message to Cristina? Amidst the pressure with the board meeting? Would he have this on his mind? I find it hard to believe.
Later Callie says: "Don't you see that? We're all trying." "We're trying to move on, which is progress." (the camera shows Cristina taking a deep breath and looking seriously at Callie) "And it feels weird... and sad and wrong, but it also feels exciting."
So moving on, which is progress means for CO divorcing each other?
Well, for me personally this whole storyline gives me a splitting headache.
What does Cristina´s I wanted to ask you if we could try again [/u]really mean? That was never explained.
Plus when Cristina is on the phone she says she is drunk and happy. Why does she need to be drunk to feel happy? Isn´t her happiness just an illusion she wants to have but it isn´t really there? Why does she keep attracting Owen sexually as a way to get him to come there? Is that the thing she hopes will work with him? But it failed in the end, he didn´t come.
Is Owen happy? He is laughing with her, but is he happy?
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