Hope that Burke "return" won't shadow Cristina&Owen good bye this full circle thing makes me a bit worry. I don't want the conclusion to be that Cristina&Burke are reunited because they were mint to be together. I would like to see Cristina realising her evolution, that Burke has been on her road but it was just a step and she get over it (the problem with my expectation is that normally she should have already understand ->no need to have Burke coming back for that Ah Ah) I would like to see her realising that Owen was not just a step, he was the "man of her life" (as he said after the cheating thing) but life will go on And maybe for Kevin departure (after Owen had time to get married, have kids and divorce) we will have the chance to see Sandra coming back for one last episode
But I'm a romantic
PS: oh.... just one more thing: Bye Bye, Emma, Bye Bye It was nice to have you but good things come to an end!
Post by browncoatwhit on May 8, 2014 14:52:27 GMT -5
Shonda's pride seems to be that she won't allow things to play out the way you expect it will. She's set us up now to expect that Cristina is going to fly out to Zurich to take over Burke's fantasy heart hospital (despite the fact that Cristina as an administrator is so absolutely WRONG!) So if Shonda is true to form, Cristina can't depart for Zurich as planned.
Of course, the rumors are that Cristina will be killed off in some horrible, tragic terrorist attack or car bombing or something. But I can't wrap my mind around Shonda actually doing that! For one thing... well, after George, Lexie & Mark, everyone kind of expects Cristina to die, right? (Shonda can't allow herself to be that predictable, can she?) Second... Cristina Yang is Cristina made of everything awesome Yang! Shonda can't close the door with that much finality of this particular character! (Certainly if I were an ABC executive, there's no way I would allow it... any guest star episode featuring Sandra Oh is guaranteed ratings gold!)
So... yeah. It certainly has me gnawing on my nails anxiously. All I really feel I can safely predict is that Shonda will pull something out of her hat that I didn't expect.
... I just have this terrible, terrible confession to make: since Kevin's contract signing wasn't in the headlines with the rest, I'm hoping that the great big secret of the episode is that Owen makes some heroic sacrifice and he's the one who dies at the end of the season, saving Cristina's life in exchange for his own. I know that's extremely unlikely, but it's the kind of blind-siding maneuver Shonda would pull if Kevin were willing, and it would free Kevin up to do something a LOT more suited to his action-star chops than GA is. (Plus -- I'd celebrate by having my person cut me out of my white dress as I sob "I'm free! I'm free!" and finally safely join the ranks of the local GA-Anonymous chapter. Do they give you GA-sobriety coins, I wonder?)
Oh yes, browncoatwhit, GA sobriety coins are available. I think you can even get one without going completely cold turkey. For example, I think you can still consider yourself sober if you are watching Kevin/Owen's scenes on YouTube. At least, that is MY story and I'm sticking to it!
Since I really haven't watched this season, I don't feel right in speculating about how Cristina will leave. To the extent I'm following GA at all, it's just with the hope that Kevin stays IF that's what he wants to do, and gets interesting storylines next year if so. But if he wanted to leave and perhaps go to another series, I would happily follow him there in the hopes of not only getting to see him, but maybe getting to see some good writing and storytelling too!
I don't think Kevin is leaving- there was an interview with Sandra and Kevin, when she said that the ending she wanted for Crowen would mean Kevin changing his contract.
Also Kevin has talked a bit in interviews about how Owen won't deal well with Cristina's departure and sandra has said she would love to come back for the eventual season finale of whole show.
Whilst I agree that Shonda may pull something else out of the bag it did say in the press for the return of Burke that the episode would show us Cristina's exit route so I am not sure a death will be on the cards.
I think her ending for now is about her stepping out to achieve her vision of printing a fully functioning human heart and then returning to Seattle to reclaim what truly makes her heart beat- Owen.
Post by browncoatwhit on May 9, 2014 8:10:46 GMT -5
Oh -- hey, I totally don't believe that Owen would die in this year's finale! That's just the way I WISH it would end. Gruesome of me, really... but Kevin McKidd never gets the time or respect he deserves from this show, and somehow I'm afraid that ain't gonna improve much next season... we'll see a lot of angry and/or angry drunk Owen, I'm afraid...
Shonda and Co. is known for hyping things for the sake of hyping and trying to get people to watch. Those who still fall for that. Burke's come back did not "blow my mind" - as it was repeatedly stated and I doubt Cristina's departure would blow my mind either. She's certainly not gonna die, that's for sure. (BTW totally agree that Cristina as administrator is wrong, as Owen has already said 3 seasons ago but apparently writers have forgotten about that too. But lady boss lives in her own world).
All I can think of that Owen will be swamped causalities due to the supposed terrorist attack and he won't even get to say good-bye to Cristina. Because that's Shonda style.
As for Kevin, all I can hope for that he would be getting another job offer soon (a show where he is actually valued and given the material he deserve) and leaves GA. From what I know he contract is till end of S12.
Post by browncoatwhit on May 13, 2014 11:40:35 GMT -5
Owen not even getting to say goodbye? That sucks -- but you're right, that seems like an underhanded Shonda blow. (Of course, there's always Skype and email and old fashion phone service... it's not like he can't take a week's vacation and fly out there to visit! Like WOULD happen in the real world... )
But Trinity, has Shonda NEVER contradicted herself in media interview in order to mislead fan expectations about something for shock value alone. I would just be more willing to bet that it would be Owen who got killed off, because frankly... what storylines does the man ever get that haven't revolved around his relationship with Cristina, beyond the "Suicide is Painless" episode? Mark Sloan was far more of a stand-alone character, and Shonda thought it was necessary to kill Sloan off when Lexie left. (Granted... I have always wondered how much the actor's RL drug issues had to do with that decision, whereas in RL Kevin is a trusted director in addition to a cast member...)
(Amazing to think that Preston Burke was the administrator of this INSANELY well-funded research facility that specializes in the human heart, and NO ONE in Seattle knew about it? Apparently there is no Google in Shondaland -- and no trade publications either. Just sayin'.)
I wonder if Shane will be transferring to Zurich to work with Cristina? I hope that happens, rather than him getting killed off! (I must be the only Shane fan out there -- he and Stephanie are the only interns that I like. )
Not only it seems stupid that no one from Seattle didn't know about that. But Cristina has said she has followed B's career (as he followed hers) but it did not occur to her for a second that he might be the one who invited her to Zurich. Cristina's character is smart enough to put 2 and 2 together. Not to say that this hospital is like the fairy tale of hospitals (such limitless founded hospital does exist in real world).
As for Shane. Personally, that's the last thing I would want to happen. It's bad enough that Cristina's took her ex-fiance job basically over her ex-husbands offer but that would mean she would be taking her ex-sex partner with her. That's freaking twisted and crazy.. From my part if Shane is ran over by bus I would not mind but I'd still hope he goes somewhere else peacefully as long ad it's not with Cristina (again in RL I don't know if he could since he is still a resident but that does not matter in Shondaland).
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Post by browncoatwhit on May 14, 2014 20:55:17 GMT -5
meh -- I don't give the brief fling between Cristina & Shane much thought. Cristina herself clearly doesn't! But Shane is going to be a gifted heart surgeon someday -- if he survives tomorrow's finale. (That being a big IF...) So Zurich would be an amazing opportunity!
I just saw the "sneak peek" for tomorrow's ep that was released.. so there's a big mall bombing? I'm really curious if Shonda will have the terrorists being domestic rather than foreign. And it ratchets up my anxiety-quota in regards to Cristina... since we know she has to rush off to get new luggage and new electronics before flying out to Zurich. (Is anyone else terrified that Amelia will become Owen's romantic replacement in Season 11? )
Whether Cristina gave too much importance to it or not (she probably didn't), doesn't really matter. Point is it happened, writers went there. Shane has a long road ahead of him before being of a gifted surgeon. First he must learn respect and boundaries and lay it low with the arrogance before anything else. For me personally I hope goes as far away from Cristina as possible (though I know Shonda she might slap us right with this).
Amelia and Owen would be a disaster of massive proportions (not sure how it would help Owen's SL since it's obvious she does have commitment issues and family is not her plans any time soon apparently). But again who knows where Shonda is gonna go. I wouldn't put past her to do it.
Nothing bad is gonna happen with Cristina. They hype it a lot for the dramatic effect. If anything she would help with victims at the mall. Shonda would not loose the opportunity to show again the "genius" Cristina is.. Of all the endings she could have for Cristina she chose the saddest one. Send her in foreign country by herself without the people who care about her around her. But it is what is..
My hope is that Kevin will get out of there as soon as he can (somewhere where he is talent will be truly appreciated)
Post by browncoatwhit on May 15, 2014 8:02:52 GMT -5
When it comes to Shane learning respect & boundaries and all that... Cristina & Meredith were the trailblazers in "sleeping with my resident!" department. I think Shane is a lot more respectful and less arrogant a surgeon in his second year than either Cristina or Meredith! Just sayin'. I know there's a lot of hate for that character, and I was NOT a fan of him and Cristina having a brief fling. But I find it interesting how badly he is judged for things which we cheered female characters on for. It's another case of a really fine actor suffering in a GA role: bottom line is that I don't think anyone in the fan base was ready to cheer on a whole new crop of characters and we are resentful of any screen time note being giving to the pre-existing cast. Plus: would there be quite so much hate for Shane if he had been a blonde pretty-boy? I doubt it!
I agree that Amelia and Owen would be a disaster... but the way GA works, it'll either be a) they'll bring in yet another new doctor, b) they'll pair up Amelia and Owen, or c) they'll pair up Stephanie and Owen. Or hell. It's Grey's Anatomy. Maybe Shonda will break up April and Jackson, and have Owen step in for pregnant April. It all sounds absolutely horrible, terrible, no-good rotten miserable to me...
Psssst! Kevin! Ron E. Moore. Filming in Scotland. Je Suis Prest!!
I never cheered for Cristina or Meredith when they broke boundaries and were being disrespectful (disliked when Cristina discarded Owen's orders in the OR in S6 when she performed that unauthorized procedure also in S8 when she and Teddy stole the patient from Alex. With Mer the list is even longer).. The fact that Cristina, Mer or anyone else did the same thing does not excuse Shane for the same type of behavior.
I don't think he would be cut some slack if he was pretty blond hair boy. Certainly not from me. Looks have nothing to do here. It's unfortunate yes because the actor has no fault. It's the writers fault who inserted a not well established character between a long term couple of the show.. Whether CO fans or not, the fans reaction to Cristina/Shane has been pretty much the same: a very bad move.
I'd hope that they would leave Owen alone for a while without pairing with anyone else and developing his character without attaching him to someone else, like they did with Alex.. But Shonda is Shonda and her ideas of awesome and interesting are obviously very different than mine. (to this day I don't know what was hilarious in Cristina having a sex friend).
Post by browncoatwhit on May 15, 2014 21:26:49 GMT -5
I don't think the writers at GA KNOW what to do with a male character except through the relationship lens. I would love for Shondaland to prove that observation wrong. But... considering the lack of Cristina-centric storylines we've already seen Kevin endure, I don't have my hopes up.
I just posted the following the the EW comments section, will repost here as well:
I was glad to see Shane fly off to Zurich along with Cristina, and liked how the "bombing" was handled. Debbie Allen's scene with April was wonderful! But I'm extremely disappointed for Bailey. And poor Owen -- must that man always get the short end of the stick? (Shonda, will you PLEASE give Kevin McKidd an actual honest-to-Xenu storyline or two next season?)
The MerDer conflict was not unexpected -- with Crowen now officially done for, the happy times for the top couple must now end and the Big Drama must now recommence. But Meredith's selfishness continues to be breath-taking in its scope. If it was the President asking her to working at the NIH, Meredith would SO expect her husband to drop everything and be happy to move to DC.
No comment about the big "reveal", other than my eyes still hurt from rolling. Oh jeez. Cristina got the send-off she deserved. It's just a shame that GA isn't going to take hint and go out on a high note as well.
Extremely disappointed with how little poor Owen got tonight. First of all, Cristina couldn't be bothered to even notify him that she wasn't involved in mall disaster, when that was her last stated destination when she rushed out on him, so he was left to worry and wonder? Not even a freakin' text? That's cold! Then -- she could find time for a dance-off with Meredith, but NOTHING at all for Owen? Of course I shouldn't be so surprised, but day-ammmmm. That. Just. Sucks.
Worst thing has happened.. Poor Owen. He didn't even get a good-bye, no word, nothing at all. Just shows how much Shonda cared about this relationship or Owen as a character.
Cristina's send off didn't even feel true to her character. That dress with that hair-do. She belonged in scrubs and in the OR not in a Director position where most she will do would be meetings and paperwork. What a sad ending for her.
Post by browncoatwhit on May 16, 2014 13:18:08 GMT -5
Someone on the EW comments section had a fabulous observation, about how similar the silent goodbye between Owen & Cristina was to Radar O'Reilly's operating room goodbye with Hawkeye Pierce. (Not that I'm suggesting a 'ship there -- but I remember seeing that episode as a kid and being left a weeping puddle by it!)
(Do I think the last name "Pierce" for Cristina's replacement is a call-out to M.A.S.H.? Hellzyeah!)
To be fair-ish... Shonda was not going to be able to write a Sandra Oh departure episode that would please me in the C/O department, not unless Owen was riding off into her sunset as well. But I will confess that the silent goodbye scene is something that's grown on me overnight. For one thing, it's just another example of the acting chops and chemistry between those two. Owen's subtle head shake and mouthing "no", Cristina's flow of regret... lovely work from both Cristina & Kevin! It is beautiful work and heart-breakingly poignant... and now that Sandra Oh is going, I swear, they're going to have to pair up Owen and Bailey because only Chandra has the chops remaining to even begin to step into Sandra's shoes...
Indeed. Scene is exactly the same. Shonda got a lot of "inspiration" (so I wouldn't call it stealing) from that show. If she took some hints about the quality of the writing it would have been better. (Owen's pen-trach thing from S5P was inspired from MASH as well).
Sandra and Kevin can do miracles with a 5 second wordless scene, they are just that good. But still it wasn't nearly enough. I think what was most bothering was not the fact that they didn't get a proper good-bye but that Owen did not get any kind of acknowledgement from Cristina's part. Fact that she asked Mer to take care of Owen, doesn't help, he's not 3. That's the thing with Shonda. She doesn't think she has to write for Cristina and Owen because Sandra and Kevin are so good and can convey so much with just looks. She did the same in S6 finale. But there are times when words are needed. This was one of them.
I really wonder what they are gonna do with Owen next season.. He has no one close there. Except his occasional scenes with Callie, Owen is not really close with of the characters. Kevin and Sandra's chemistry will never be equaled. Those 2 have set a high bar that I think it would impossible to reach with someone else.
As for Mer/Der situation you're perfectly right. If Mer was the one who was offered the job, everyone would have been all relied up if Derek didn't wanna go. (In AU episode Owen did not took the job in Germany because Cristina didn't want to go).
Until the end of the episode I hoped that the airpot would have been closed for a few hours postponing all the flights ... because of the assumption of a terrorists attack... Maybe I'm too logical
For me a wordless scene could have work, but it had to be build up You probably remember the episode with the victorian romance, with the light touch on the hands, the longing looks, and at the end Owen sleeping on Cristina while she is reading Elis Grey journal Almost no word and it really worked For me the problem here, it's the poor writing/screen play wathever. It didn't work so well In french we say, it's like a hair on the soup: don't understand what this scene is doing here. It came from nowhere with no logic Say goodbye to Owen is enough important to take the next flight. It's obvious Nobody is in danger if she doesn't take that flight Everybody can understand that you take the next flight because there was a possible terrorist attack in your home town, making your hospital a big mess She has no reason to leave that way It's the only thing I told to myself
It could have work if we saw Cristina looking for him from the begining or at some point of the episode, desperate at the idea that she won't say goodbye. Tension growing up And this scene in the OR could have be a culminant point, a kind of release Here it's like she forgot until the very last minute to say goodbye to him
So I'm a bit disapointed too, sadly...
Edit: I watch this scene again... what a performance, from both of them. they just are really really good... I'm going to cry!!!
Edit2: There won't be a new scene, a new storyline for these two. We already saw all I'm going to cry again!!
Edit3: How is it possible to be so moved by a fictionnal couple on a tv show
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