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Post by kaz on Jul 16, 2013 20:01:58 GMT -5
This particular thread will be for discussion of ACTUAL spoilers only. Ie, you see a spoiler in the Spoilers Only thread and you come over here to discuss it. You do not wax lyrical about where you think the season could be headed generally.
If you want to engage in pure speculation, which has no basis in any concrete spoiler, this please do so in the Speculation (without spoilers) thread.
Aside from the parameters set above and the general Rules of the Forum, the rules for both threads are as follows.
1. A different opinion is not a wrong opinion. We are all entitled to our own so do not tell someone they are wrong simply because they disagree with you.
2. Express your thoughts and move on. Do not try and change a person's mind by restating your same view over and over. You are unlikely to succeed and it just leads to animosity.
3. Talk about the show and DO NOT MAKE IT PERSONAL. That includes avoiding comments like - "I can't believe you would think like that", "I just don't know where you're coming from", "Why do you watch if all you're going to do is complain?", "You're so negative all the time". 4. Further to Rule #3, do not discuss what goes on at other boards or on social media sites.
5. Remember, it is just a television show.
In addition, if it starts to get ugly we will not hesitate to commence editing or removing posts, warning members or in extreme circumstances locking the threads for extended periods of time (perhaps permanently). We don't want to have to rule this part of the board with an iron fist. We hate it, in fact, but if that's what it takes to keep things running smoothly and avoid personal disputes then that's what we will do. We really hope that people can respect each other (and Kevin) enough to keep it amicable.
Kaz
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Post by justine on Aug 5, 2013 13:17:01 GMT -5
I read the KMK's interview with THR...done , I am really done. Sorry, even though through the actor' s words of some kind of "threre is still hope" , what Shonda and her writers team "are writing" ?! For CO is ...exhaltation of pure rubbish !!! Kaz, Leanne, scold me ;-) :-) if you wish for my comments but I feel like I am not the only fan who thinks this way after reading the quoted interview
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Post by kaz on Aug 5, 2013 22:58:27 GMT -5
I read the KMK's interview with THR...done , I am really done. Sorry, even though through the actor' s words of some kind of "threre is still hope" , what Shonda and her writers team "are writing" ?! For CO is ...exhaltation of pure rubbish !!! Kaz, Leanne, scold me ;-) :-) if you wish for my comments but I feel like I am not the only fan who thinks this way after reading the quoted interview My position remains that as long as Kevin is on Grey's, I can never say I'm done (although I may fast forward through a heck of a lot more scenes than I have done in the past). But as a fan of the pairing, I do feel more than slightly ripped off if this is where 5 seasons have taken us. What a complete and utter letdown. I do feel a little like Kevin is hedging his bets in that interview because, as I suspect, he still doesn't know a whole lot of what is to come and even if he does he simply cannot let on. I am interested to see the attraction between C and O burning away in the first few episodes, which is referenced in that article. But definitely not enticed at the thought of Cristina trying to find Owen a suitable life partner.
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Post by COForever on Aug 6, 2013 5:31:22 GMT -5
I read the KMK's interview with THR...done , I am really done. Sorry, even though through the actor' s words of some kind of "threre is still hope" , what Shonda and her writers team "are writing" ?! For CO is ...exhaltation of pure rubbish !!! Kaz, Leanne, scold me ;-) :-) if you wish for my comments but I feel like I am not the only fan who thinks this way after reading the quoted interview My position remains that as long as Kevin is on Grey's, I can never say I'm done (although I may fast forward through a heck of a lot more scenes than I have done in the past). But as a fan of the pairing, I do feel more than slightly ripped off if this is where 5 seasons have taken us. What a complete and utter letdown. I do feel a little like Kevin is hedging his bets in that interview because, as I suspect, he still doesn't know a whole lot of what is to come and even if he does he simply cannot let on. I am interested to see the attraction between C and O burning away in the first few episodes, which is referenced in that article. But definitely not enticed at the thought of Cristina trying to find Owen a suitable life partner. I have to admit I agree with both of you. As long as Kevin is on Grey's, I will be watching but I also feel completely robbed of the beautiful soulmate love story that got me addicted in Season 5. I have no desire to watch Owen find his baby mama and Cristina cheering him on, for me that is just to weird.
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Post by hopew on Aug 6, 2013 8:44:04 GMT -5
I've been silent for a long time and will probably go back into my cave again after this post. But I just wanted to say that I totally share COforever's feelings about this situation.
Kevin's interview should probably be read to relate to the premiere (two-part) episode and perhaps the one after that, since that is as far as the cast have gotten. So for those who want to hold out hope that this "Cristina helping Owen find his baby mama" story line will turn out to be yet another misdirection designed to lead them to realize that they are meant to be together, I think you can take some comfort there. But I'm afraid that my view has, for a while now, been that Shonda does not intend to bring Cristina and Owen together again. We may be tortured by the occasional flirtatious moment, longing glance, or even by a sex scene or two, but I've lost all hope for a real reconciliation. Rather than give a laundry list of reasons why I've come to this conclusion, I'll just say that I think that the writers have decided that Cristina is going to be their example of a woman who puts her professional success (fulfilling her "genius") ahead of any personal intimate relationship, and that they don't intend for her to be "end game" in any relationship except her friendship with Meredith. What troubles me most is that I think the writers want the viewers to see that as a good thing, which despite Shonda's "feminist" claims seems to me to be a distortion of what feminism was trying to achieve. I think it's sad that Cristina is apparently not capable of having the "big life" that Owen envisioned for them, but I don't think the writers see it that way at all.
Aside from the "dramatic" choices being made, I think there is a practical issue. It seems very, very likely that Sandra Oh will leave after Season 10. She is a smart, accomplished person, and I'm sure she has handled the large amounts of money she's been making for the last few years sensibly. She can probably afford to do work she loves and feels fulfilled by if she leaves Grey's. I'm sure she feels some personal loyalty to Shonda, but that sense of obligation was probably satisfied by her agreement to stay for Seasons 9 and 10. If Sandra leaves but Kevin stays, they need to be given stories in Season 10 that separate them permanently and leave Kevin with his own story arc in Season 11. My speculation (based on last season and this latest spoiler) is that that is what we will see this year.
I want to support Kevin by watching whatever work he is involved it. But it will be very, very difficult to keep watching Grey's in Season 10 and, if he is still there, beyond.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Aug 6, 2013 10:02:26 GMT -5
Grey's (SHONDA!) continues to leave me feeling like a domestic violence victim. I know that for my own good I need to leave this relationship, which keeps beating me down and beating me down... but I feel helpless to do so!
I'm in agreement with everything said so far. Kevin likely doesn't know what the long-range plans for the season are (hell -- it's Shonda, does anyone really believe SHONDA even knows?), and is kind enough to offer us what consolation he can from what little information he's been given so far... And I expect we'll continue to have our hopes cruelly raised and then dashed all year long, until we get served us a season finale that turns everything sideways and leaves us with no real sense of closure for C/O, just a continued, lingering sense of badly missed opportunities. It makes me envy Mark/Lexie shippers.
Overall, I think what this most leaves in me, as we await whatever tripe GA serves us up for Season 10, is just a sense of deep sadness for Kevin and for Sandra. They've got to continue playing these characters through whatever comes next. They know what sort of magic in a bottle their storyline had in Season 5. They have been put through the ringer more than we, the C/O fans, have been. It's their own personal understandings of their characters, and their own professional opportunities, that have been squandered here.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Aug 13, 2013 19:36:53 GMT -5
::weeping::
I just saw the news about Sandra Oh's departure at the end of Season 10. I immediately came here to share the virtual box of Kleenex. I feel like doing a good, old fashioned anime crying jag. Y'know the one, where there's an arch of tears fire-hosing horizontally from each of your eyes? That's me, right here, right now.
You know how X-Files blundered on for a few seasons after David Duchovny retired Mulder? That's Seasons 11 onward for Grey's Anatomy. Is it wrong of me to hope against hope that both Ellen P. and Patrick D. are also planning to leave at the end of this season, and that all of Shonda's current "We're planning to continue on with the series" talk is just the usual Shondaland mind-game in action? Or is that just too much to hope for? I would rather see Grey's Anatomy have a dignified ending that puts C/O riding off together into the sunset, than see the series limp on painfully for several seasons without Sandra Oh anchoring it.
Furthermore... I don't think it's too difficult to predict that the actual goodbye-episode will dwell a helluva lot more on Cristina saying goodbye to Meredith (and Meredith's heartbreak) than it will be to give C/O a worthy resolution. Is there any hope for us that Season 10 will be anything but the Season of Suck?
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Post by browncoatwhit on Aug 14, 2013 22:51:24 GMT -5
Thank you, mods, for reposting that article in the Season 10 Spoilers/No Discussion thread! Sandra does lovely fan-service, doesn't she?
Do you all think that there's any reason to hope that the writers room will cease and desist with the suckage for C/O now, and give us good, new reasons to be heartbroken by the end of the season? Is there any hope they can find a way back to bring back the C/O Season 5 magic for us, given all of the frustration and tedium we've been spoon-fed with C/O since Season 6? (Yes, I'm grasping at straws... or just have an overactive wish-helmet on...)
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Post by S5fan on Aug 15, 2013 1:48:39 GMT -5
I don´t think they will bring the magic of S5 back, not possible in my view.Writers will continue to suck the life out of us regarding writing CO scenes at work or wherever. They will find many "creative" ways to do that. I only hope for a good storyline for Owen to have a child. They should do him a justice. Leave Cristina with her cardio, and joy for Meredith´s family bliss.
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Post by S5fan on Aug 15, 2013 1:59:00 GMT -5
If Sandra leaves but Kevin stays, they need to be given stories in Season 10 that separate them permanently and leave Kevin with his own story arc in Season 11. My speculation (based on last season and this latest spoiler) is that that is what we will see this year. Very true indeed.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Aug 22, 2013 11:49:49 GMT -5
Any thoughts on what role the actor formerly the dad-from-Dexter is going to play on GA?
Also -- Kevin mentions that a former familiar face returns in the ep he's directing (Ep 8) -- anyone seen any hints on who that might be?
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Post by drwyatt on Aug 22, 2013 20:14:26 GMT -5
I'm guessing 1) Alex's dad and 2) Amelia, Dereks sister.
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Post by betinad on Aug 22, 2013 23:31:28 GMT -5
I'm guessing 1) Alex's dad and 2) Amelia, Dereks sister. Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards yes, I think you may be right. But I sooo don't want 2) to be true!!! I don't like her AT ALL!!!! (not the character, not the actress)
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Post by drwyatt on Aug 23, 2013 11:07:12 GMT -5
I'm guessing 1) Alex's dad and 2) Amelia, Dereks sister. Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards yes, I think you may be right. But I sooo don't want 2) to be true!!! I don't like her AT ALL!!!! (not the character, not the actress) I don't care for her either, I'm not sure if its her or the character.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Feb 10, 2014 9:51:56 GMT -5
Oh man. This fills my already-heavy heart with dread.
Want to bet that any "what-if" we get built around C/O is going to rub our noses in a great steaming pile of poo? Because Shonda is going to want to show us C/O as being destined for a failed future, isn't she? "They'd never have worked it out, no matter what, so whatever Owen goes on and does with his real life is a good thing..."
::weeping::
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Post by S5fan on Feb 14, 2014 15:46:23 GMT -5
Want to bet that any "what-if" we get built around C/O is going to rub our noses in a great steaming pile of poo? Because Shonda is going to want to show us C/O as being destined for a failed future, isn't she? "They'd never have worked it out, no matter what, so whatever Owen goes on and does with his real life is a good thing..." ::weeping:: YES - a million times yes. It´s Rhimes after all. I immensely regret I can´t quit watching the show because Kevin is still on it. Too bad for me
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Post by browncoatwhit on Feb 27, 2014 23:03:57 GMT -5
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Post by drwyatt on Mar 1, 2014 10:24:46 GMT -5
I love that we finally have confirmation that she ships them too
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Post by browncoatwhit on Mar 6, 2014 23:09:00 GMT -5
Yes!!!! Isn't that fabulous? I tell ya, that was a balm for my aching heart!
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Post by browncoatwhit on Mar 7, 2014 9:30:26 GMT -5
So... anyone have any thoughts on the big news of Burke's return in the last episode?
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