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Post by Leanne on Feb 18, 2009 13:35:23 GMT -5
Next episode of Greys 19 February This thread is locked until airing of this episode this thread is open reminder to use Spoiler buttons enjoy
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Post by Leanne on Feb 19, 2009 15:45:14 GMT -5
"An Honest Mistake" -- Derek's confidence is shaken like never before as he faces off with Addison over what course is best for their dying pregnant patient; Cristina calls the abilities of a renown surgeon into question after she botches a standard procedure; and Bailey, who has decided to pursue a fellowship in Pediatrics, is appalled by the Chief's less-than-stellar recommendation letter, on "Grey's Anatomy," THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 19 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network
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Post by georgeseurat on Feb 19, 2009 22:24:44 GMT -5
No one? I'll be the first then. Wow, isn't that too fast to propose (even though some say it's not a proposal, I think so)? I mean, he still hasn't tested her by having a vacation together... Anyway, Owen DID did something to the fight, and same as we guessed, he stopped it, but in a very very very delicate way (Seems like he didn't even use any strength, and listen, he just speak softly to Mark!) Oh, and Owen rocks again. I mean, he is THAT awesome by just using one line to change FD's thinking, but didn't force it. He just spoke what he experienced but in a delicate way. Isn't that awesome? And what MORE awesome is that, throughout the whole first half an hour, he didn't even says a single judgement about FD directly (he just gives opinion to Cristina about herself). But at the end, he actually did something subtlely to help Cristina, by using the least effort. Cristina just didn't know that she has a boyfriend who helps and protects her without letting her noticing. What a man?! *squeel* ;D ;D ;D And that last scene... What more can I say? He wants to be with her for 40 years, even though she is a bully, opiniated, stubborn, and smart! WOW!
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Post by ruralstar on Feb 19, 2009 22:34:26 GMT -5
So decent episode. I thought they were a bit OTT in some aspects but overall not a bad place to leave us.
Guess I'll start with Bailey. I find it a bit odd that she can be so single-minded. All the way back to when she met Doctor Dixon and had no clue that she had Aspergers and never thought to ask why her behavior was so odd. Fast forward to tonight. She's so focused on getting her letters that she seems to have forgotten that there is actual doctoring and administrating to be done. I did love that she stood up to the Chief and clarified that his desires are not hers.
The Chief himself actually had a purpose tonight. He was in on the Dr. Campbell debacle from almost the beginning. It only made sense that he observe the surgery. I can see why he didn't dismiss Campbell before as she did have such a distinguished career. Still, he needs to be more aware. We're back to his feelings in an earlier episode about things slipping through his fingers. He's not completely on top of the game and I think his hopes for Bailey indicate that he's starting to think about retiring before he really screws up.
A brief note to say that Calle's whole crisis is kind of pathetic really. I don't see her as a pathetic character and I think it's unfair to keep playing the lesbian storyline for laughs. If I were gay I might be quite offended.
So finally we get what we all knew was the truth regarding Izzy. Yeah, Sadie messed up and Izzy has some problem. I admit I don't see how a skin lesion relates to a brain disorder. I hope that's explained after the multi-episode Dizzyfest we all had to sit through to get to this point. Overall Izzy was more tolerable this evening. Her volatility is easily chalked up to stress and possibly the mystery illness. I thought it was clever that she put up her own scans in order to teach the interns. And having Bailey show her the way was a nice full circle for how Izzy felt about her earlier in the episode.
Mark and Lexie "Secret coffee" *snorts* That whole bit cracked me up. I don't think Lexie should apologize for making Mark be honest. We all know the real reason Derek punched him.
Derek and Addison and the pregnant patient. This was the part of the episode that felt overdone to me. Given the situation you can't honestly tell me that a surgeon is going to keep chopping out pieces of a patient's brain no matter what he promised that patient's husband. Never mind that the baby cannot be deprived of oxygen for extended periods of time and not suffer serious brain damage. They kept drawing out the moments with the scalpel to the point where it was almost a joke. *dueling scalpels* Yeah, whatever. I can see they are building to Derek's personal crisis. Does make me wonder if that's why he and Owen might form some sort of bond. Each messed up for different reasons.
I really liked the pregnant couple. They didn't have huge scenes but each time the actors really sold it. Young, excited perspective parents. The effects of her seizures, the way he kept completing her sentences because he knew what she wanted. Their joy and then his heartbreak. Nicely done and unlike the surgery scene, very plausible IMO. I did find it interesting that Alex was there when the husband broke down next to the body. Not exactly Mr. Emotion.
So to Owen. First off, love how he was trying to warn Cristina to shut up because Campbell was behind her. Then the teaching scene while she was looking at the scans. Owen is a teacher after all and though we all love the O/C dynamic Owen does outrank her. He has more experienced in terms of time, not just in terms of the war. I like how he was gentle but honest. Trying to make her see even though Cristina was having none of it. During the surgery consult and the surgery itself there were a lot of eye contacts between them. Information being exchanged. The bit in the Chief's office was important I think to later in the episode. Cristina criticizes him for not taking a stand. I think she was looking for affirmation if not actual support when confronting the Chief. Owen was there when Webber shot her down too. After the surgery is all over and Owen speaks to Campbell you have to wonder if part of the reason is because Cristina wants him to stand up. Though it's obvious that he recognizes that she should retire. This is also the first time Owen refers to his having left the military since episode 5x6. He was essentially fired because his superiors recognized what he could not. I don't think he was capable of saying that out loud until recently. And certainly not to someone he knew professionally and only briefly to boot. It says a lot about his character in terms of integrity and as a teacher. In his own way subtly instructing Campbell to hang up her shingle.
I thought it was cool that Owen was the one to break up the fight. Only made sense.
As to the last scene in the bar... Well, my channel kept cutting out so I didn't catch all of the dialogue. I did smile though when Owen said that he would be the one to make Cristina put down her scalpel 40 years from now. I didn't catch whether Cristina registered the proprietary nature of that statement! It was sweet to see them acting human. Comfortable, though Owen still seems a bit on edge. Nicely played Kevin and Sandra. I love feisty Cristina and it's clear Owen does too. He is the perfect person to help temper her.
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Post by ruralstar on Feb 19, 2009 22:38:33 GMT -5
No one? I'll be the first then. Wow, isn't that too fast to propose (even though some say it's not a proposal, I think so)? I mean, he still hasn't tested her by having a vacation together... Anyway, Owen DID did something to the fight, and same as we guessed, he stopped it, but in a very very very delicate way (Seems like he didn't even use any strength, and listen, he just speak softly to Mark!) Oh, and Owen rocks again. I mean, he is THAT awesome by just using one line to change FD's thinking, but didn't force it. He just spoke what he experienced but in a delicate way. Isn't that awesome? And what MORE awesome is that, throughout the whole first half an hour, he didn't even says a single judgement about FD directly (he just gives opinion to Cristina about herself). But at the end, he actually did something subtlely to help Cristina, by using the least effort. Cristina just didn't know that she has a boyfriend who helps and protects her without letting her noticing. What a man?! *squeel* ;D ;D ;D And that last scene... What more can I say? He wants to be with her for 40 years, even though she is a bully, opiniated, stubborn, and smart! WOW! Heh, you type faster than I do apparently. I agree with your assessment of Owen. He was being the perfect teacher IMO. As for the last scene, yeah, he wants long term and he recognizes that she is his equal in so many ways. The Before Owen was likely quite opinionated and even a bit of a bully given the right circumstances. The After Owen has a serious stubborn streak that has prevented him from seeing the enormity of his problems until recently. Stubborn in the sense of resisting what all the signs of his PTSD have been screaming for months. Smart goes without saying in either case
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Post by georgeseurat on Feb 19, 2009 22:43:36 GMT -5
How ironic that this episode is about doctors are only humans who cannot actually be God, while Owen did miracles!
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Post by ruralstar on Feb 19, 2009 22:47:03 GMT -5
How ironic that this episode is about doctors are only humans who cannot actually be God, while Owen did miracles! Dunno about miracles but Owen was certainly the voice of reason. Ironic as he's been so volatile lately. I'm looking forward to a rewatch.
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Post by georgeseurat on Feb 19, 2009 22:56:36 GMT -5
How ironic that this episode is about doctors are only humans who cannot actually be God, while Owen did miracles! Dunno about miracles but Owen was certainly the voice of reason. Ironic as he's been so volatile lately. I'm looking forward to a rewatch.Well, obviously, that's an overstatement, but hi-five! I'm looking forward to a rewatch too! ;D
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Post by georgeseurat on Feb 19, 2009 23:08:52 GMT -5
Also, do you spot that during the scene when the Chief explains to the patient about his condition, FD walks to the window, and Owen looks at her? I don't know, but I have feeling that he feels what FD feels, according to his eye contact. He really reads people. That's what I like of him (among a bunch of his other strengths).
And someone in the ABC forum says this:
I didn't realize the double meaning before...
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Post by ruralstar on Feb 19, 2009 23:40:32 GMT -5
The ABC poster has that a bit mixed up. Owen was 'fired' from the millitary. That's what he meant by having received an honorable discharge. He didn't do anything wrong in the field apparently but his superiors recognized him for damaged goods even though he didn't acknowledge it at first.
I didn't notice the bit about the FD character going to the window. It is clear however from his conversation with her later that Owen recognizes something of himself. Sometimes it takes an outside observer to help a person see the obvious.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Feb 19, 2009 23:53:59 GMT -5
Also, do you spot that during the scene when the Chief explains to the patient about his condition, FD walks to the window, and Owen looks at her? I don't know, but I have feeling that he feels what FD feels, according to his eye contact. He really reads people. That's what I like of him (among a bunch of his other strengths).
And someone in the ABC forum says this:
I didn't realize the double meaning before... This could go back to the whole ghost analogy. I'm sure he identifies with Campbell on that level. If she's been in medicine over 40 years, Campbell must feel like a ghost in her field (i.e. dinosaur). I think owen tries to see the good in everyone, in spite of his own greivances, and issues.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Feb 20, 2009 1:42:22 GMT -5
So this is my review I'm sure I"ll think of more to say So I would like to start by saying how amazing it was to see Kevin and Sandra in scenes with Faye Dunaway. I am such a film geek, actually a TOTAL film geek. I am in awe of people like Faye Dunaway, so when they make appearances on my favorite shows I get excited. This appearance was super awesome for me. as a PP fan, I am basically tired of this crossover bit, I like Addison, but i want her to get back to Oceanside Wellness. The conflict with Addison and Derek was intense, and I honestly could see how Derek was struggling emotionally with the case. He felt a connection to Jen and her husband, and I think part of wanted what he has with Meredith. Of course Jen had to die, what great drama would let the sweetest woman in the world live, especially when she was pregnant and has the best husband ever? Of course it was all contrived. But i like how we see Derek struggling with his god-complex. We have on Grey's god-complexes everywhere. It was like that with Burke, now Derek is going through a god-complex. He was confident after Archer's surgery to operate on Jen, which seemed to be a routine procedure. Of course we all know how it ended. t Derek cares so much he is in denial that his patient isn't going to make it. So the first scene with Callie, Cristina and Owen was hilarious. I love how Callie is laughing as Cristina is cluing Owen in on Cambpell. It is cool to see him sort of joking around with them a bit. But after the 'boca' comment when Campbell appears in the doorway saying "The Dinosaur is here" I got chillls! The same chillls I get when I watch Chinatown and Bonnie and Clyde OMG. The following scene with them when Campbell is quizzing Cristina about what procedure she would have performed kind of made me think of being in school when the class is cracking up while the person challenging the teacher the most is getting in trouble. Owen had to be serious, but you could tell he was trying hard not to overstep bounds with Campbell, but was at the same time being humored by Cristina's feistiness. The scene with Owen talking to Cristina in the CT room was cute how he was trying to reason with her about where Campbell was coming from. I think back to Owen's schpeil about mistakes in the premiere how he says "I learn 'em and then I don't make them again". I think Owen is also remembering his time in the field where he basically had to make due with what he had to save lives, and could see where Campbell was coming from, a different era without the technology. I think he really related to Campbell on that level and recognized that everyone has something to bring to the table. I also took note that in the scene when Owen walks in Cristina deliberately seems to turn her head so he has a nice view of the nape of her neck and if you check it out, he's staring at it for a split second I really enjoyed the OR scene with Campbell as well. I see how much she is supposed to be like Cristina in the way that they both know their stuff, but still need a bit of learning now and then. I really thought Cristina was hilarious in how she went after Campbell, who herself was struggling with coming to terms about the mistake she made on a long time patient. One of the things i'm noticing more and more about After Owen is that he's an observer. He really tries to figure people out before stepping in and making any claims. Before Owen was quite different in that regard he was quick to make judgments and just jump in. I love that he sees in Cristina her potential to be a 'god' in her field, but also talks her down, making her realize its not all. It kind of reminds me of her conversation with Burke when they fought, where she said "I"m just like you I'm a surgeon first" and he said something like "No I am a person first'. I really loved the scene with Campbell and Owen after the surgery when she was talking about mistakes and such. I just love the energy and greatness of Faye Dunaway in that scene, and I was so thrilled to see Kevin in a scene alone with her. When Owen tells her that he was fired from the Army, and that he was grateful for it, he basically told her he's been in her shoes and if she doesn't know when to give in, someone else will. Owen is so great in that way, as someone else has said he's the voice of reason in a work environment filled with people who sometimes act like children. I think that this is another level where Owen relates to Campbell in that she must feel 'ghost-like' when she's walking the halls of SGH. Speaking of children, Derek's "fight" with Mark wasn't really a fight. Well maybe it is now, but Mark just chose the wrong time to tell Derek about Lexie and happened to be the punching bag. Derek was just so broken about Jen dying that he had to take it out on someone, but what a scene though, I kind of thought that Owen would be there somehow to help break it up, it seemed like something that would be in his character. Cristina's scene with Campbell was also amazing! A hollywood legend in a scene with my favorite tv actress, it was just awesome. Campbell's speech about being a god was just intriguing and well written. I love that she recognizes Cristina's a great surgeon but also warning her that she will end up like her someday if she's not careful she'll end up with nothing left at the end of the day when she doesn't have surgery. But where Campbell is wrong depends on how receptive Cristina continues to be with Owen. I love that he called her on all her crap today, telling her she should have had compassion for Campbell instead of trying to prove she was right. Even though she was right, I like how Owen also recognizes the Campbell-ness in Cristina. When Owen tells her that he wants to be the one taking the scalpel out of her hand in 40 years, I had to laugh at Cristina's line "From my cold dead hands" its actually a clip of something that Charleton Heston said at a NRA rally Michael Moore used in Bowling for Columbine. I love that Owen laughs at first, but then is serious, saying, i want to be around in 40 years. That really says volumes about what he thinks they have and I think she has the same expression she did when he told her she was beautiful outside her apt. steps. Owen always seems to know how to bring her back to reality, and realize what is important. I want you to be there in 40 years too Owen! Bailey was just awesome in this episode! i love how she is so confident in herself and won't accept the Chief's recommendation. I've had to go through that process and its so frustrating when you know certain people who you need references from are not good at writing them. Its not that they don't think you're amazing, they just don't put a lot of effort into it. Though considering what the chief was going through in addition to the threat of losing Bailey for a while, i think that he can be excused. I also loved Chandra's new hair it really suits her! I also loved that we got another lunch scene. I have really missed those over the years and I'm glad theya re bringing them back. The diaries are still around, and I love how even in the diaries Crisitna's able to find things out about Campbell. Arizona is still completely adorable, but now you can tell she's kind of playing the field. So i hope Callie deosn't get hurt. I loved her reaction to Callie though. Man that girl is creative. I'm guessing we haven't seen the last of them two. The izzie stuff is just so moot at this point, I am so frustrated with all the controversy that I really dont care about the Izzie storyline anymore. Mentally I'm done with her as a character, as well as George.
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Post by ruralstar on Feb 20, 2009 7:40:15 GMT -5
Also, do you spot that during the scene when the Chief explains to the patient about his condition, FD walks to the window, and Owen looks at her? I don't know, but I have feeling that he feels what FD feels, according to his eye contact. He really reads people. That's what I like of him (among a bunch of his other strengths).
And someone in the ABC forum says this:
I didn't realize the double meaning before... This could go back to the whole ghost analogy. I'm sure he identifies with Campbell on that level. If she's been in medicine over 40 years, Campbell must feel like a ghost in her field (i.e. dinosaur). I think owen tries to see the good in everyone, in spite of his own greivances, and issues. I agree. Before Owen was always learning something new. He was there for the adventure, the positive side of things. A version of that person is still buried somewhere in After Owen. It was nice to see that 'ghost' in a very positive sense when dealing with Campbell and Cristina.
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Post by ruralstar on Feb 20, 2009 11:20:55 GMT -5
Just a couple things to note upon rewatch
Almost without the viewer noticing Owen and Cristina are suddenly out in the open. While sitting in the bar they make no attempt to hide that they are alone and obviously having an intimate conversaiont as indicated by Owen's body language especially. Granted anyone seeing them in the hallway two weeks ago would have to have been struck blind to miss the fact that they were in each other's personal space.
Owen: "Forty years from now I'm going to have to pry the scalpel out of your hands." Cristina: "My cold, dead hands." Owen: "You're missing the point. I want to be around 40 years from now."
Not only did that dialogue make my shipper sqee with joy, it also represents something significant for Owen. He's starting to think that there is a future beyond his work. Right now that future is held in large part in Cristina's hands. She understands that responsiblity more and more as time goes on. It was a pleasure to see them be close without having anything sexual implied. This relationship is turning into one of the most complex and beautifully written love stories ever seen on television. Thanks in no small part to Kevin and Sandra's performances.
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Post by Leanne on Feb 20, 2009 11:30:36 GMT -5
Ive just finished watching I enjoyed the episode, I found the couples story extremely good and I resorted to tears in the last scene when the hubby is sitting next to his wifes dead body.... Well what I have gathered from the few emails I received and posts on our facebook page Ive seen today that people were rather keen for an intimate moment between Owen and Cris...we didn't really get that but the last scene basically covered it all sitting the bar the body language between the two and the confirmation of a long standing arrangement ....hopefully setting us up for some good interaction between Cris and Owen in the next episode...I didn't find the Owen and Cris clip unsatisfactory by any means it spoke volumes. Faye D was amazing loved her and a great moment between Cris, Owen, Callie and her in the beginning of the show especially her look on her face at Owens explanation.
also she formed an intricate part of us know more about Owens character with the unveiling of his release from the army.... all in all I enjoyed it....screencaps will go up later
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Feb 20, 2009 11:42:32 GMT -5
I like to believe that off screen they are spending time together, sharing kisses, etc. I'm guessing Owen walked Cristina home that night at some point..
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Post by Leanne on Feb 20, 2009 13:24:41 GMT -5
TV Ratings: 'CSI' Holds Off 'Grey's Anatomy' Thursday 'Private Practice' drops, but still above pre-crossover levels February 20, 2009 Laurence Fishburne on 'CSI' Fast National ratings for Thursday, Feb. 19, 2009 ABC and CBS battled to another split ratings verdict on Thursday, and although "Private Practice" dropped off some from the past couple weeks, it still remained higher than its pre-crossover numbers. CBS led the night overall with an 8.6 rating/14 share and just under 14 million viewers. ABC, 7.5/12 and 11.5 million viewers, took second. FOX, 5.0/8, finished third, a point ahead of NBC's 4.0/6. The CW trailed at 1.3/2. ABC won the adults 18-49 race with a 4.2 rating, edging CBS' 3.9. FOX grabbed third in the key ad demographic with a 3.0. NBC, 2.5, was fourth, and The CW drew a 0.8. "Survivor: Tocantins" put CBS on top at 8 p.m. with a 7.9/13. "Bones" scored a 6.0/10 for FOX. ABC's "Ugly Betty," 5.1/8, came in third. "My Name Is Earl," 4.1/7, and "Kath & Kim," 3.3/5, gave NBC the No. 4 spot, while The CW brought up the rear with a "Smallville" rerun. CBS stayed on top at 9 p.m. with "CSI," 10.5/16. ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" posted a 10.0/15 and was also the night's top show among adults 18-49. "Hell's Kitchen" drew a 4.1/6 for FOX, topping the 3.4/5 average for reruns of "The Office" and "30 Rock" on NBC. At 10 p.m., ABC's "Private Practice" earned a 7.5/13 -- down from its "Grey's" crossover-fueled heights of the past couple weeks but still better than its prior season average. CBS' "Eleventh Hour" was right behind at 7.4/11. The return of Noah Wyle to "ER" didn't move the needle much, as the show came in at 4.9/8. Ratings information is taken from fast national data, which includes live and same-day DVR viewing. All numbers are preliminary and subject to change. www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-tv-ratings-021909,0,4644948.story
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Post by kaz on Feb 20, 2009 17:32:37 GMT -5
For the first time in a long while, I can say that I enjoyed the episode in its entirety rather than just the Owen and Cristina parts. So here is my review (which will perhaps be in stages, depending on how much I get through now) I think there was alot in this episode from a thematic and symbolic point of view. Perhaps not in isolation but in the context of everything that happened in the season premiere (which supposedly maps out the season) and subsequent to it.
Firstly, Izzie. I actually really cared about this storyline tonight. It felt human, relatable, and very real which is in stark contrast to the Denny portion of the story. That moment when Izzie is sitting on the chair by the desk realising the full consequence of what she's just discovered re the swapping of tests really hit me. It was shot in a really lovely simplistic way and I definitely felt the weight of everything Izzie must have been feeling.
I appreciated the re-emergence of the notion that mistakes are how you learn. Owen said it in the first episode to Cristina and Bailey repeated almost exactly the same words to Izzie this week. It's nice to see that it wasn't just a throw away line way back when. It seems to be coming through as quite an important theme.
Derek, obviously, is the person who has most to learn from his mistake and I assume that in time he will. This week, although I thought the "duelling scalpels" was a bit overdone and melodramatic, I enjoyed witnessing Derek's demise. I'm not sure if this is rock bottom or there is still more to come but this episode certainly reminded me that we are all human.
The fight between Mark and Derek was difficult to watch. I'd thought from the preview that it might end up looking almost comical onscreen, having two grown men in a fist fight (when neither of them seem all that adept at the art of war). It was realistic though and therefore somewhat tragic.
It's interesting to me that a handful of episodes prior we had William Dunn telling Derek that they are alike and Derek telling him "I am nothing like you". Then this week, Jen's husband is calling Derek a murderer. You can see in Derek's eyes that he believes it and we know how he feels about murderers. I can only imagine the depths to which this man's self-loathing currently extends.
Another major thesis of this season is obviously also "who are we and what do we have without that which defines us?". Derek, I think, is about to find that out. Faye Dunaway was there to give Cristina a flash into her own future - a future which 16 episodes ago seemed, like Dr Campbell's, to be very stark and lonely. 16 episodes ago, all Cristina had in her future was a wrinkly Meredith, a chicken and a box of cereal. Oh, how things change.
Which brings me (perhaps counter-intuitively) to the final scene with Owen and Cristina in the bar. I love that they can have a day where they don't see eye to eye or, more to the point, choose to fight their battles in VERY different ways (with ultimately the same outcome in their sights) but can still sit down together and connect on a personal level. I don't know enough about Owen in the Before to be able to comment but I certainly know that it's a massive change for Cristina.
The scene itself was very sweet - simple but incredibly touching. Kevin delivered the last line that "You're missing the point. I want to be around in 40 years" really well. It was matter-of-fact and a little nervous but without any hint of melodrama or over-emotion. To me, the line spoke volumes for Hunt personally and for his relationship with Cristina. I took it as both him wanting to be ALIVE in 40 years and also around Cristina. I think the double meaning was deliberate. In the writer's blog this week the writer of this episode quotes the line as "I want to be around YOU in 40 years". I am wondering whether that was meant to be the line but that a decision was made (by Kevin? by the director or Shonda?) while shooting to drop the "you". It works well for me.
The married couple were superb this week. I'd found Jen a tad annoying over the past couple of weeks but this week I really felt the connection between her and her husband and was devastated for him in the that final scene when he was crying over her body. I find it interesting that Alex was there for that scene. I wonder whether it is supposed to foreshadow Izzie's demise and Alex's devastation..? We know how Shonda loves that.
Faye Dunaway was really good. I was slightly put off by her plastic face (I wish women in Hollywood would opt to age gracefully) but I thought she inhabited this character amazingly well.
The interactions between Owen, Callie and Cristina about Dr Campbell were fun and light-hearted and my favourite scene was where Dr Campbell in a sense tried to pit Cristina and Owen against each other when asking them to explain to the patient the pros and cons of the various styles of surgery. Kevin's face said it all in that "it's half a dozen either way" line. Brilliant.
I liked that Owen allowed Cristina to fight this battle on her own. Cristina obviously found it annoying that he didn't back her up ("way to take a stand") but I think he was letting her have her moment, letting her teach. And he was teaching her as well - that people need compassion. He brings a really human side to Seattle Grace and shows that you can connect with people without being overly emotional, which is currently the cause of Derek's problem.
It's interesting that they had Owen and Cristina work together on this. Owen was able to get first-hand knowledge of how judgmental and hard on people Cristina actually is. Despite his emotional intimacy with Cristina, he hasn't had that experience because for all his own mistakes, Cristina seems not to judge him. I think it was important to have him see and realise the full extent of that and to not have it scare him off.
Finally, over the past few episodes alot of people around the place have been lamenting the slow pace of this relationship and the fact that they haven't jumped each other's bones yet. I find it interesting that this week alot of those people (on other boards) are saying that Hunt's final declaration of wanting to be around in 40 years seems way too fast. So we are more comfortable with a sexual relationship that moves at the speed of light but not an emotional one?
Not me. I, for one, am loving this story.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Feb 21, 2009 10:50:39 GMT -5
Yes I completely agree with you about the Old Cris/Mer scene with the chicken. That's exactly what I thought of when Owen said that line. I have been noticing too how Ellis' diary seems to foreshadow a lot of what mer and Cris experience in the episode. Cris read in the diary about a botched surgery with Campbell and Ellis, the victorian romance stuff with the Chief, the proposal (well potential although I wonder if Cristina just said that herself and tried not to give away Derek's plans) I'm sure there's others.
To answer your question I think you zeroed in on why people are kind of unsettled about Owen's comment. I think generally people aren't used to seeing such a slow moving relationship on Grey's and can't wrap their head around the fact that Owen and Cris are so unconditional with each other, that Owen, as damaged and broken as he is can envision a future with Cristina so early in their relationship, and without sex. We all know how it ended with Burke, how fast it started, and all the competitive mind games that the two had with each other. Yes Owen and Cristina are slow moving in terms of PDA, etc. but on other levels, they are moving fast emotionally which I think is what will make them last in the end. She has seen him at a lot of dark points already and she's still around, he's also seen how 'scary' Cristina can be and wasn't swayed either. They also jump steps normal people seem to take, but have climbed emotional mountains together. I like how she is with Owen, Cristina's really grown up on a social level and I think Owen brings out a lot of maturity on her part. When he said that 40 years comment, it made me think of The Princess Bride when Wesley would tell Buttercup "As You Wish".. anyway just a thought.
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Post by kaz on Feb 22, 2009 18:22:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it was a coincidence that right after the scene in the Chief's office where Owen DOESN'T take a stand and back Cristina up she says to Meredith that from the diary it seems that the Chief and Ellis used to fight alot and that the sex must have been awesome.
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