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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 17, 2009 14:47:22 GMT -5
FYI i also thought there are similarities between owen's speech to cristina about how mistakes are how you learn in the SP and then Cristina's speech to him in 5.23 about how she doesn't want him to die. At first I thought it was more related to when she tells Burke that but now that I think about it, it is like Cristina and Owen have completely switched roles since then. I made another video comparing these scenes it is still processing on youtube
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Post by ruralstar on May 17, 2009 14:48:00 GMT -5
Quoting Snowbound:
Well it's possible Shonda rethought the curveball idea and rewrote the script at the last minute to take out a pregnancy. I would like to think the online ranting by some of us made a difference. I doubt it though. What I hope is that she actually consulted with educated minds and realized how unrealistic such a time clock on Owen's recovery might be. Either way, a revamping did not stop her from accelerating Owen's mental health to some extent. February sweeps of 2010 is soon enough for a baby in my books. But if wishes were horses I would have a stable full so....
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Post by kaz on May 17, 2009 15:48:34 GMT -5
FYI i also thought there are similarities between owen's speech to cristina about how mistakes are how you learn in the SP and then Cristina's speech to him in 5.23 about how she doesn't want him to die. At first I thought it was more related to when she tells Burke that but now that I think about it, it is like Cristina and Owen have completely switched roles since then. I made another video comparing these scenes it is still processing on youtube Marryme, I saw the similarities in that as well. It wasn't directly on point but I thought the "...so the next guy...he lives" etc speech somehow tied in with Cristina's revelation that you can't save everyone, so you save the ones you can (or something along those lines).
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 17, 2009 23:04:06 GMT -5
Ok i posted the video in the appropriate thread
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 18, 2009 10:54:55 GMT -5
www.tvguidemagazine.com/ask-matt/ask-matt-finale-fever-1143.htmlSo I got another write up in Ask Matt again, he said some great things about Cristina and Owen as well and he agrees with us on the shortness of the scene with Owen's mother: Question: After reading your “finale watch” review about the Grey's Anatomy finale, I have to say as a long-time fan I was very satisfied in spite of the cliffhangers. The show basically came back from the dead. I loved the fact that Meredith and Derek are past all the crap and are just happy together and don't even need a real wedding to prove it. I was especially happy with how Cristina and Owen turned out. I've said this before, but I think Kevin McKidd and Sandra Oh kept fans like me watching this year. I was wondering your views on the shortness of the scene with Owen and Cristina visiting his mother for the first time. I have to say as a fan I felt kind of robbed of the conversation, especially seeing a great actress like Debra Mooney only getting one line. I realize it’s a finale, but it was a major goal that Owen had been preparing for, and it could have been handled better, although I was impressed that Cristina went with him and basically stuck up for his mother. On the flip side, I think we really got to see how much Cristina has evolved. I honestly don't remember seeing her smile so much in one episode. Many of her situations with Owen reminded me of scenes with Burke from earlier seasons, such as the "I don't want you to die" and "I love you" moments. Her speech to him in the vent was just amazing. Sandra Oh is such a master of mixing drama and comedy, and Owen's reactions to Cristina reminded me a lot of the "before" Owen in the season premiere. Only this time around, Cristina was able to save him from getting wrecked again. I also took note of the parallels between the characters and the accident victims in the season premiere, for some of them coming around full circle. There was also an interesting parallel with Cristina and Bailey: two of the most vocal and brutally honest characters on the show, both struggling when they realize what they have to do to get to that happy ending, or just have peace of mind. Also, what do you think the chances are for Sandra Oh and Kevin McKidd getting Emmy nominations this year? On a side note, regarding Brothers & Sisters, I know you have commented previously that the Ryan character was not working on the show, I have to say I agree as well. I think it’s just the personality of the actor with me. If Ryan was played by someone else, I am sure it could be a bit more interesting. My favorite moment in the whole series has to be that "silent" breakfast table scene with the Walkers in Mexico. It reminded me of a warped version of Woody Allen's dinner scenes. I hope next year for both shows the writing is more balanced than it has been.—Maya Matt Roush: You and me both. I’ve made no secret about how impressed I’ve been by the Cristina-Owen arc: painful, powerful, passionate and finally redemptive for both emotionally repressed characters. Can’t wait to see what’s next for them, and I’m betting that we’ll see much more of Owen’s mom, now that it’s established she’s being played by someone as wonderful as Debra Mooney. (I also wondered if maybe part of their reunion scene was cut, but maybe her appearance was just a tease of things to come. I can only imagine the sparks between her and Sandra Oh.) As for Emmy nominations: It’s possible. Sandra Oh is accustomed to Emmy attention, and this was a strong season for her. Kevin McKidd’s a little more of an outsider, but he’s a solid choice, and may carry some industry cred from his Rome stint on HBO. Fingers crossed. Read on for a fan’s all-encompassing perspective on Grey’s fifth season. It’s long, but I promise you I trimmed it by about half.
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Post by Geniusmentis on May 18, 2009 11:21:18 GMT -5
Wow!! Yes, fingers crossed!!
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 18, 2009 16:34:54 GMT -5
wow i'm re-watching the season 3 episode arc when George's dad is in the hospital its so interesting seeing how all those layers resurfaced this season.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 19, 2009 22:29:04 GMT -5
I posted this on TWop but I thought of another connection with the SP and SF. Remember when they wheel Cristina into the exam room and she's arguing about how to get treated. Richard asks if they checked her vitals and she goes: "I did see breath sounds clear and equal!" Then Owen has this WTF look staring down at her like he's trying not to laugh but also frustrated with her. Its a total sparkfest between them. Then in the SF you have Crisitina saying that she can't breathe without him ever since he took out her icicle.. hmm.
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Post by Geniusmentis on May 20, 2009 3:15:30 GMT -5
I posted this on TWop but I thought of another connection with the SP and SF. Remember when they wheel Cristina into the exam room and she's arguing about how to get treated. Richard asks if they checked her vitals and she goes: "I did see breath sounds clear and equal!" Then Owen has this WTF look staring down at her like he's trying not to laugh but also frustrated with her. Its a total sparkfest between them. Then in the SF you have Crisitina saying that she can't breathe without him ever since he took out her icicle.. hmm. Yes, the funny thing is that she left him in order to breathe (with the fear of being strangled to death), and then she wants him again because she cannot breathe and live without him!!!
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Post by kaz on May 20, 2009 9:34:45 GMT -5
Genius, that's a really lovely pick up.
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Post by Geniusmentis on May 20, 2009 19:03:48 GMT -5
Genius, that's a really lovely pick up. ;D
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 21, 2009 1:15:48 GMT -5
By the way for those of you who don't know Bailey named her son partly after George after he helped her when she was giving birth in season 2. I also remember a scene in season three when George's dad was in the hospital and she said something to the effect of "My son is named after his.. I just need a moment". So whatever happens to George, I think Bailey is among one of the ones who's really going to take it rough.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 26, 2009 15:51:46 GMT -5
Just noticed something, when Mer is telling Cristina that she's getting married in the finale, she says "Yep quick and dirty"
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Post by anaterra on Jul 8, 2009 20:26:05 GMT -5
WARNING: THIS MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!!! Well, guys, I didn´t have time to write a full review nor to read yours in lenght, but here are my thoughts - those of a person who´s not been a regular fan to the show and who always watch episodes on delay (due to the fact they´re aired in Brazil at least one month later). Can´t say GA is gonna become my favorite TV show after this season - I still have huge beefs with it - but gotta say Kevin´s addition definitely added a new quality to it and, specially in the last episodes, it even got me some thrills. Here are the lows and highs, in my humble and "not a regular fan" opinion: 1) Excessive melodrama - sometimes action twists so much between one scene and another, and in such "irrational" ways that, at least for my taste, it becomes distracting. I know this is entertainment Tv and that we´re supposed to "suspend disbelief", but there´s a limit even to that. For example, during the marriage scene I got myself insistently thinking (which I suppose was not the writers´ intention) how "magically" Meredith´s bride gown and Dereck´s suit fit into a much taller and build up Izzy and a much shorter Alex. And I´m not even going into the whole "ghost/brain tumor hallucination" territory. On the other hand, even though I´ve read some comments on the net that could have spoiled me to John Doe´s identity, I didn´t see it coming. So I guess melodrama does pay off when it´s nicely done. 2) Excessive cliche - I lost the count on how many episodes you have a patient having an epithany and delivering some kind of "moral lesson" to a doctor, and next scene you have that very same doctor having the very same epiphany and delivering the same "message" to another doctor/patient. Cliche is annoying in itself, but when it becomes overused - the metacliche - it also becomes meta annoying. 3) This is a compliment and a complain - I got the feeling that even when the show goes brave and breaks the boundaries of "pure" entertainment to approach "touchy" subjects, it kinda regrets and withdraws to a "safer" position. I felt this was the case with Irak war and the effects it had and has on both military and civilian. On the other hand, they did go on with the lesbian relationship story (in spite of everybody saying they wouldn´t), and that was very cool. 4) This is more than a compliment, it´s actually a rave - I don´t remember watching a lovemaking scene as beatiful and sweet as that (you know what I´m talking about) recently, either on Tv or movies. It was touching, tender and hot at the same time. It was a LOVEMAKING scene, not a sex scene. Kudos to everyone here, but specially to the actors who delivered it so beautifully. I guess this is what happens when you team the best actor in the show with the best actress in the show ... (again, only my humble opinion). And boy, don´t those guys have chemistry? 5) Kevin and Sandra are by far the best couple, but Chandra Wilson is the best soon to be single mom. Every scene that she´s in elevates the quality of the show. And now I´m out to read your reviews.
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Post by kaz on Jul 8, 2009 22:39:43 GMT -5
Good review, Anaterra.
Someone asked Shonda Rhimes about that wedding dress and apparently Ellen Pompeo and Katherine Heigl both wore the same dress, so at least that part was plausible. Not sure about the suits. It seems hard to believe but looking back, it does fit Ellen and Katherine differently - it sort of hangs on Ellen around the body but is snug fitting on Katherine.
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Post by ruralstar on Jul 9, 2009 7:33:00 GMT -5
I'm not a long time fan either Anaterra and I think you hit the marks. I did watch the whole season five, even the eps Kevin wasn't in. I do think Chandra Wilson is amazing and she deserves an Emmy nom. I never suspected the outstanding chemistry Kevin would have with Sandra Oh and WOW do they. Agreed about the melodrama and oh gods let's NOT walk down the implausible dead Denny path or the tumor that should have laid Izzy out months before the finale.
I don't mind the lessons patients teach the doctors. That just seems to be the structure of the show and I kind of enjoy seeing how those lessons will be imparted. Getting slapped up side the head with them can be a aggravating but if the guest actors are decent it's not so bad. I particularly liked the actors who played Jen and Rob-she was the pregnant woman Derek accidentally killed. I also liked the serial killer three part arc. I remember being surprised that GA actually went so far as to show Wiliam's execution.
The love making scene.... Definitely some beautiful work. Truly making love in a way rarely seen in film.
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Post by milena on Jul 9, 2009 10:42:40 GMT -5
...and here comes another "not long time fan". Being a long time Kevin's fan (I fell in love with him in "Rome" and have seen and been very impressed by much of his UK work) I tried to get into this series because of him. I was familiar with "Grey's Anatomy" before - it's hard not to be as media keep bombarding people with news of this cast's every little sneeze) but I wasnt a fan or even a casual viewer. Everybody seems to sleep with everybody and their dog on this show and this is definitly not my idea of quality tv. I have watched a lot of season 1-3 during hiatuses of season 5 though just to keep in touch and it was better back then I have to admit even though still not my cup of tea. Anyway season 5 as a whole was a big blah for me and I dont think I'm going to watch season 6 even for KMK. The only good thing I can say about this is that Kevin looks drop dead gorgeous as Owen Hunt. But as if "DeadDenny" were not enough to make one want to hurl something on their tv, there were also interns with mentality of 12 years old, Meredith's "edgy" (ugh) friend with British accent, Asperger Syndrome played for cheap laught and 30 years old woman rediscovering her sexualty which made her stutter and giggle like 13 years old boarding-school girl (this is my huge beef with this show - everyone acts like horny, airheaded teenagers even though they are in their early to late thirties). I have to admit that most of the cast is very talented and deserve much better writing. Particulary the actresses - Sandra Oh, Chandra Wilson and Sara Ramirez are great (the last one can even make Callie's permanent confusion bearable) but I was also impressed by the young man who plays Alex Karev. Still even though I love Sandra Oh almost as much as I love Kevin, they have about zero chemistry together IMO. Their romantic scenes seem incredibly forced to me especially when I compared it to KMK's scenes with Indira Varma in "Rome" or with the young actress who played Mary in "Gunpowder Treason&Plot" (duh!). At first I thought it has something to do with Cristina character being a Mona Lisa-smiling Ice Queen but then I checked several episodes of season 2 and 3 when she was with "Burke" and they were smoking it. I feel Kevin/Owen had more chemistry with "Izzie" in one scene when they were arguing over those sad pigs, than he had with "Cristina" for all season.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Jul 9, 2009 15:00:28 GMT -5
Hi Milena! Welcome! I agree almost all and I like all the cast very much, but the only thing that I can't understand (and I'm the only one with this opinion) is that I don't like the actor who plays Karev, neither physically nor for his skill! :-)
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Post by anaterra on Jul 9, 2009 15:52:12 GMT -5
Marcy, thanx! I guess we´re both in the same page. Kaz, your explanation about the dress makes sense - actually, I think I haven´t seen the episode in which Meredith tries the dress (was it the one in which she comes from the bathroom? Anyway, I didn´t pay enough attention), so my impression was based only on the height and size differences between Ellen Pompeo and Katherine Heigl. Ruralstar, agreed about the fact that the "message delivery" depends on the quality of the guest actors. Just to use your own example, in the case of the serial killer storyline, the actor in case was Eric Stolz (an actor who´s always very efficient, no matter what kind of role he plays) and that did make a difference. Milena, I agree with most of your critics, except the one about Kevin and Sandra having 0 chemistry - but hey, "vive la difference" !
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Post by Geniusmentis on Jul 9, 2009 16:09:56 GMT -5
Milena, I agree with most of your critics, except the one about Kevin and Sandra having 0 chemistry - but hey, "vive la difference" ! Oh, even that I wanted to add. They have a lot of chemistry! Yes, Eric Stolz is fantastic!
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