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Post by Leanne on Jul 9, 2009 16:10:02 GMT -5
Hey anaterra nice to see you on the board .. Milena I think its interesting that you don't see any chemistry between Cris and Owen I haven't watch Burke so I cant say what they were like (except for a few clip courtesy of Marry me) but My mother who watched Grey's from day one says the same thing. She thinks Kevin would have been better paired with Izzie... I only know Izzie as she is now and I cant see it....of course in Rome and GTP Kevin's characters were strong and not dealing with any sort of condition like PSTD but I'm sure the original Owen would have been very similar) Its refreshing to get a new slant on the couple
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Post by kaz on Jul 9, 2009 18:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by Geniusmentis on Jul 10, 2009 5:02:23 GMT -5
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree!!
According to me, the 5th season is the better. Only the 6th could overcome it, and I hope that!
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Post by milena on Jul 10, 2009 6:53:49 GMT -5
Hehe that's interesting to be honest I cant see Owen character with Izzie for a long run. I guess he is not her type and she would drive him crazy with her constant nagging and hollier- than-thou attitude. But I defnitly saw sparks between the two of them when they were arguing back and forth and I've never seen any between Cristina&Owen no matter how hard I tried. I cant speak for anyone else but for me chemistry means "sparks" and something in the air between the two characters. Air just seems thicker between the two characters who share chemistry, their eyes shine every time they see each other, there is intensity or tension in all their interactions and when they are in the same room everything else fades into background. Their attraction to each other seems tangible. They dont even need to flirt or kiss or roll around naked to generate "heat". In "Gunpowder&Treason&Plot" "Bothwell" and "Mary" were bursting with passion while fully clothed and engaged in heated arguments. I also feel KMK had great chemistry with Indira Varma in "Rome" and his female co-stars in "Afterlife" (with Moaning Myrtle nonetheless ) or "16 years of Alcohol" (Mary character). From what I have seen of Cristina and "Burke" it wasn't a particulary healthy or equal relationship but there was a nice interplay of emotions. With Owen and Cristina I just dont feel any physical attraction between the two of them. He gives her hurt puppy dog look, she gives him a Mona Lisa's smile, rinse and repeat. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Jul 10, 2009 7:15:12 GMT -5
Ok, it's your opinion. So don't you think that the sex scene between Owen and Cristina is hotter than the other sex scenes in the movies and tv shows that you have cited? I think that is the hottest (and at the same time romantic) scene never seen before (and I've seen a lot of them...LOL!).
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Post by Leanne on Jul 10, 2009 11:39:55 GMT -5
might be a good idea Kaz as this thread is for discussion of the finale ...there is a thread Season 5 Review might be an option .... also reminder guys that the board is PG14 so chat Chemistry but just keep that in mind
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Post by cl3me on Jul 10, 2009 12:03:56 GMT -5
Milena, I think what you are seeing is that Chris/Owen were denying their relationship, esp Owen going hot n cold on Chris, not wanting to get too involved with her because after Iraq he felt he was no good for anyone. Chris was holding back too because she didn't want to give her heart away again after Burke, so she was being more of a supoprtive friend. The sparks were definitely there in the season opener, but when he came back to Seattle Grace, there was some restraint - on purpose - to show the arc of them struggling to get back to the spark they found in the season opener. By end of season 5, both had come to realize there's no denying it anymore and that they need one another, which is where we left off on 5.24 with Chris saying yes. So hopefully the "chemistry " will spark more in season 6
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Post by anaterra on Jul 13, 2009 14:14:27 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what people mean when they say "chemistry". So much of what we see onscreen is about writing, directing and editing as well as the way the actors work together. If we're talking about "heat", I don't think it's really fair to compare Burke and Cristina to Owen and Cristina as both couples were in very different places, the former having more fun when they first got together and the latter having the brakes put on because of Owen's PTSD. There were glimpses though of some real heat between Owen and Cristina at least in the season premiere, in episode 14 and even in the finale. First, if you´ve opened another thread and this is completely off-topic, please feel free to move my message or to point me to that thread, Leanne (hi, too! Long time, no see! ) Kaz, interesting that you wrote that, because I thought the same and even started to write a post, but then gave up (English not being my first language, it does take time to elaborate thoughts and that can be hard when I´m in a rush or a bit tired). Cristina and Burke relationship started in a very different point from Cristina&Owen´s - actually, they evolved in completely opposite directions, the first one beginning with "heat" and then progressing to emotional attachments, while in the second the first sight attraction (showed in the premiere) later had to give ground to a much more complex relationship. But I guess "chemistry" is a totally subjective and elusive concept, so I can understand where Milena is coming from. For example, in Journeyman I felt that Kevin and the actress that played his wife had -0,5 "chemistry", even though acknowledging that both actors were portraying nicely the relationship between a mature married couple (but that didn´t stop me from rooting for Moon Bloodgood´s character every episode). On a totally different note, I´ve read some of you guys complaining about the excessive "Izzy" time in the show and, having watched the two last episodes again, I had to agree. It gets even more annoying because I think hers was the silliest storyline during this season. But do you think that it was actually Katherine Heigl who´s been granted more screentime than the other actors (even though this is supposed to be an ensemble show), given her new "starlet" status? I mean, she´s the one who´s got the Emmy and who has had the most successful career in movies since the beginning of the show (by "success" I mean box office figures, of course). Anyway, I just hope the trend won´t continue next season - that is, assuming Izzy won´t die.
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Post by kaz on Jul 15, 2009 22:16:00 GMT -5
This is from today's Ausiello Files but it relates to the s5 finale and not s6 spoilers so I'll put it here. Question: Any Grey's Anatomy scoop? --LauraAusiello: Yep, a pretty big one. More on that later. Question: Got any more Grey's scoop? --KatieAusiello: Okay, you wore me down: Remember the haunting image of an army-clad George waiting outside the elevator for Izzie in the season finale? Well, it wasn't supposed to be George standing there. The scene was originally shot with Jeffrey Dean Morgan's Denny playing the role of Izzie's heavenly escort. But as Grey's boss Shonda Rhimes explains to me exclusively, "I received the first cut [of the finale] on a Friday and something didn't feel right. All weekend long something was bugging me. And then I woke up Monday morning and it hit me, 'My God, it's George! When the elevator opens, it should be George we see.'" There was just one problem. Actually, there were two problems. And to find out what they were and how they got resolved (apologies in advance) pick up the new issue of Entertainment Weekly, on sale Friday! Question: How much longer do we have to wait for Grey's scoop?! --CarlyAusiello: One of the two problems involved Katherine Heigl's location at the time of Shonda's epiphany. That's it. You have to pick up the mag for the rest. Question: Anything on Grey's? --NancyAusiello: The other problem involved what T.R. Knight did to his head after production wrapped. Now I'm really done. Question: Please give us something on Grey's? --JayAusiello: The second problem involving T.R. Knight's head eventually became the solution. Okay, now I'm really really done. Get the rest of the scoop in this week's EW! ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/07/ask-ausiello-spoilers-on-greys-bones-and-more.htmlBoy, am I glad they went with GEORGE and not Denny when those elevator doors opened. Also, clearly George was originally not meant to be in Army uniform but they had to do it because TR Knight had already shaved his head. Interesting. I had seen photos of him after filming had finished of TR with his hair clipped and figured he'd done it FOR the show. Turns out, the show must have walked the buzz cut around him. If anyone picks up the new issue of Entertainment Weekly, please let us know what else it says.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 3, 2009 16:09:52 GMT -5
Tonight I have rewatched the first two episodes in Italian (on Italia1 channel eh eh) and I have noticed 2 things: 1) in the beginning, in Meredith's nightmare Derek's death is caused by a bus ( in the last episode George's death is caused by a bus); 2) at the end of the second episode out of the elevator (in which there is Izzie) there is his dead Denny (in the last episode there is the dead George).
So, the first and the last episodes are connected. And there are, surely, a lot of other connections.
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Post by ilwo on Sept 3, 2009 16:23:04 GMT -5
I had noticed for the elevator but not for the bus Excellent remark Genius
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Post by singer201 on Sept 3, 2009 16:34:07 GMT -5
Tonight I have rewatched the first two episodes in Italian (on Italia1 channel eh eh) and I have noticed 2 things: 1) in the beginning, in Meredith's nightmare Derek's death is caused by a bus ( in the last episode George's death is caused by a bus); 2) at the end of the second episode out of the elevator (in which there is Izzie) there is his dead Denny (in the last episode there is the dead George). So, the first and the last episodes are connected. And there are, surely, a lot of other connections. Shonda had said that there were lots of clues in the season premiere that foreshadowed events to come in season 5. I remembered the Izzie/Denny/elevator scene when I saw the Izzie/George/elevator in the finale, but it took watching season 5 again from the beginning just recently to note the "hit by the bus" reference. Also, Izzie's patient in the premiere had a similar problem with her short-term memory as Iz did in the finale.
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Post by kaz on Sept 3, 2009 16:48:25 GMT -5
Hi guys
Just a reminder that we have a season 5 review thread as well as a "mini marathon" thread where I've posted some of the voiceovers and also discussed some of these connections already and said that the thread is open to revisit anything about season 5.
I know you are talking about particular scenes that were in the finale and how they connect with the season opener, which is fine. But there is the potential to lead to a wider discussion about the season as a whole and the connections throughout. Just something to keep in mind.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 3, 2009 16:58:12 GMT -5
Tonight I have rewatched the first two episodes in Italian (on Italia1 channel eh eh) and I have noticed 2 things: 1) in the beginning, in Meredith's nightmare Derek's death is caused by a bus ( in the last episode George's death is caused by a bus); 2) at the end of the second episode out of the elevator (in which there is Izzie) there is his dead Denny (in the last episode there is the dead George). So, the first and the last episodes are connected. And there are, surely, a lot of other connections. Shonda had said that there were lots of clues in the season premiere that foreshadowed events to come in season 5. I remembered the Izzie/Denny/elevator scene when I saw the Izzie/George/elevator in the finale, but it took watching season 5 again from the beginning just recently to note the "hit by the bus" reference. Also, Izzie's patient in the premiere had a similar problem with her short-term memory as Iz did in the finale. Oh, yes, you are right, Izzie's patient in the premiere had a similar problem with her short-term memory as Iz did in the finale!!! Another connection with the last episode!!!
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Post by kaz on Sept 3, 2009 17:05:41 GMT -5
Since Genius has raised the idea of the connections again, I thought I would repost part of my initial review of these episodes (posted on page 2 of this thread) with my thoughts about the connections:
The season starts and ends with an army guy (trauma surgeon) who sweeps a girl off her feet before suffering major trauma himself. By season's end Owen = George and we've come full circle.
In the premiere, Izzie is working on the patient (Betty) whose memory resets every 30 seconds. In the finale, Izzie's memory continues to reset periodically, much to everyone's annoyance.
The season premiere ends with Izzie getting off the elevator in her prom dress and being led into the light. The finale ends with Izzie back on that same elevator.
In the premiere, Cristina and Meredith had several conversations that centered on love, commitment, relationships etc. Cristina, being bitter and broken, was convinced that there was no such thing as happily ever after. Meredith (as dark and twisty as she was) was unsure and doubtful too but just teetering on the edge of giving it a shot. Cristina and Meredith end the season having similar conversations about love and commitment but with entirely different results. Cristina is supportive where she was previously not. Meredith is resolute where she earlier prevaricated. She is no longer "a deer in the woods". Cristina is still a few steps behind her in that regard but they are both healed.
In the premiere, Owen kissed Cristina and then walked off leaving her sitting there amazed/bemused/in semi-shock. In the finale, Cristina did the same to Owen. Full circle.
Meredith dreamed in the premiere that Derek was in an horrific accident and she watched on (and screamed) as they tried to revive him. Derek was of course safe by finale's end but nevertheless there was a tragic traffic incident and Meredith was the one to scream out once she realised who had been hit.
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Post by Geniusmentis on Sept 3, 2009 17:10:52 GMT -5
Oh thanks Kaz!!! Oh yes, you are right, so: Owen=George; Meredith=Cristina; Dereck=George Betty=Izzie; Denny=George
Cool!!!
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