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Post by MarryMeOwen on Apr 26, 2011 18:29:19 GMT -5
So based on the finale synopsis I am going to guess that the life changing moment kevin talked about isn't Cristina trying to figure out between love and career as sthe synopsis suggests but an unexpected thing like a pregnancy. Also, i think we are getting closer to a Teddy exit So I hate that we are again faced with Cristina and the Love vs. Career quandry. It is getting quite monotous, but as long as she takes another step forward in adulthood I won't mind.
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Post by ella1967 on Apr 26, 2011 23:13:00 GMT -5
So based on the finale synopsis I am going to guess that the life changing moment kevin talked about isn't Cristina trying to figure out between love and career as sthe synopsis suggests but an unexpected thing like a pregnancy. Also, i think we are getting closer to a Teddy exit So I hate that we are again faced with Cristina and the Love vs. Career quandry. It is getting quite monotous, but as long as she takes another step forward in adulthood I won't mind. I read the synopsis while I was on a late lunch break at work today and it's been running through my head alongside a few other spoilers and what has been foretold for these remaining S.7 episodes. Now this idea of Cristina finding herself in a 'compromising situation' makes it sound like she's found in a linen closet in a sordid position, meant to soup up the stress. But what if it's about making compromises? What if it's like Marryme suggests - and I've talked about here and elsewhere - that this deciding between her career and her relationship is her being faced with something she never saw coming - finding out she's pregnant and what she and Owen will do? It certainly qualifies as 'explosive' and would be the mirror to her former storyline. As much as I too am irked by this repeated life and career dilemma for Cristina for the one-trick-pony aspect of it (and that no other female surgeon on the show has to deal with this topic) I am hopeful that this is one of those big make or break moments for Owen and Cristina in which we see them take a step forward together. It's the only way to carry their story forward - the growth path they've both been on since they met - and I really do think that's the point. If the choking and triangulation wasn't about breaking them up, then this bickering end of season arc won't be either. I had already speculated that Meredith would pull something shady with the Alzheimer's trial that would catch up to her in the SF. It's like in 7.16 - she and Derek don't know they're not communicating until they find out they're not communicating. Her vision problems - and the way Derek complains about it to Owen and Mark without talking to Meredith at all or she to him - run parallel to Cristina and Owen's fight which is ultimately also about vision. The key difference being that though they didn't necessarily get all of each other's points, Owen and Cristina talked to each other and kept talking through it while Meredith and Derek withdrew from each other. (I think there's an undercurrent to this season in which Mer and Der are 'stable' while Owen and Cris are the newly developing married couple - yet the misunderstandings between Cris and Mer show their very different approaches to life and relationships this season.) So there's a part of me that wonders if Meredith and Derek end the season legally married and trying to adopt but on the outs. Considering that SR said this episode centers on 'tremendous growth' and 'turning things on their head' for Mer, Cris, and Alex and yet Alex is not mentioned by name in the synopsis, I still think he's the one who gets chief resident. The slacker surgeon who tried to skate by while eying every pretty girl in the place has turned into a gentleman, a teacher, and a surgeon. What else would be more surprising than him stepping up into Bailey's old professional shoes? Sorry Marryme, but I just don't think Teddy's on her way out. There would be little surprising about her falling into Perkins arms and leaving town with him for his next assignment. I think she'll stay put in Seattle after deciding Henry's more than a good story. And next season we'll find Perkins willing to stay and fight for her and he'll be the new counselor at SGH.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Apr 27, 2011 2:31:35 GMT -5
I think Teddy leaving is on the table still because Scott Foely has filmed another pilot with Shonda so it likely depends on that outcome. Plus she already said about Perkins that he wouldn't be sticking around because if you're not a medical dr at SGH theres not much for you to do.
I personally think Cristinas situation will be something she keeps to herself untill the other thing hits. So I think maybe she applied for a fellowship or something elsewhere knowing she won't be able to apply for chief resident then gets accepted but could be that it is several miles away which makes it a relationship issue of course. So if she finds out she's pregnant then that would qualify as something life changing than another job etc. I also get the feeling Owen doesn't know that she is about to make such a big decision.
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Post by ella1967 on Apr 27, 2011 18:59:10 GMT -5
I personally think Cristinas situation will be something she keeps to herself untill the other thing hits. So I think maybe she applied for a fellowship or something elsewhere knowing she won't be able to apply for chief resident then gets accepted but could be that it is several miles away which makes it a relationship issue of course. So if she finds out she's pregnant then that would qualify as something life changing than another job etc. I also get the feeling Owen doesn't know that she is about to make such a big decision. I still do think this is about how they stick together though, because it really feels too much like a red herring to hear they're going to be fighting their way through workplace issues which parallel their communication issues just to get to the SF and to have their end of season story be them breaking up, especially because Cris is forced to make a decision between career and her relationship. I get that what they're doing is a counterpoint to the SP in which Cristina married Owen for a lot of the same reasons Owen married her but also for some very different reasons. And that we've seen the center be on Cristina 'choosing' her marriage throughout the season and so this will be the big bookend 'choice' for her - as Owen went through in S.6, making definitive the 'choice' he'd been making all along, but I digress. I mostly get why the emphasis seems to be on Cristina's issues here but it's still interesting that we're supposed to see Owen as somehow issue-free in this situation and I'm not sure that such a complicated character can ever be that outside of such a plot. But, granted we've not seen any of these episodes yet so maybe he trips up too. Regardless, I am still keeping hope alive that this is about how they build Owen and Cristina's relationship, by digging through the layers of stuff they're still carrying around to deepen their bond in the process. Also still believing the bumpy road will only get bumpier when the test stick turns positive.
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Post by katleehow on Apr 27, 2011 20:34:31 GMT -5
I keep going back and forth between this is all going to work out okay even if we have to wait till Grey's return in September to see how it is resolved or is this going to be Shonda's way to show that a woman does not need a husband and/or baby to have a fulfilling life. So reading the posts here/YHT(thanks ladies) help me stay positive and also taking into consideration Kevin's most recent comments about who else would C/O be with except each other and them growing old together. I know some of this is his opinion but he must have a hint to how this will play out because if they were splitting them up for good then why make such comments. If Cristina is pregnant, these are the questions I have for the SF: -does Owen choose her for CR? -do we find out at the beginning or is it in the last act? -does she tell Owen? -do they have an argument about CR/ career vs. their marriage when both of them say things they shouldn't which leaves them on shaky ground before/after the pregnancy reveal? -is the cliffhanger: are they staying together and/or does she keep the baby? I thought Teddy/KR was on her way out too but why haven't we heard anything yet? They've announced the actress from PP leaving already. Why does she get a mention and Alex does not in the SF summary? I thought it was supposed to focus on the FAB3 and their work/love relationships. So glad that a new epi is tomorrow even if we don't get much C/O till next week. The PRISM awards are tomorrow too. Hoping for wins for KMK and SO!
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 1, 2011 11:49:41 GMT -5
That last sneak peek with Owen and Teddy boggles my mind. Why does Cristina have to apologize to Teddy when Owen and The Chief both supported Cristina's suggestion? Cristina shouldn't have to apologize, Teddy is just bent out of shape because she knows Callie would have died without Cristina's help. Teddy is in the wrong, and needs to get over herself or find another job where she isn't at a teaching hospital because as far as I am concerned she's a horrible teacher. Teachers also have to know when to let their students grow even if it means 'surpassing' them, Teddy obviously can't handle it. Time to move on.
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Post by ella1967 on May 3, 2011 23:20:25 GMT -5
Okay - Shonda, in her usual non-spoiler way, says things that can get both the lovers and the haters in an uproar. Must be sweeps. So, this alongside her previous comments about how the end of season episodes will be 'explosive' for Owen and Cristina fans and how Cristina's compassionate response is very real, how Cristina, as one of the remaining original residents, will be one of the focus characters in the SF and how those characters will exhibit 'tremendous growth' and find themselves in storylines that are 'surprising,' in fact, 'turn things on their heads' kind of surprising has had me thinking baby anvils were falling for a while now. (I mean, 'I've grown up as much as I plan to and I don't come around.' C'mon.) And that what it would look like is Cristina announcing end of SF she's preggo and Owen, predictably, being pleased and Cristina, equally predictably, being angst ridden. But...what if? What if she finds out earlier in the episode and she and Owen have time to process some of it amidst the posting of chief resident and all the workplace stuff they've been through before but are now, hopefully, finding other ways to process (because otherwise, what's the point?) and we get to the end of the day and the surprising thing happens. Owen, who may indeed be pleased at the idea of parenthood, knows it won't work if it's just him who wants it so, in this season of him letting Cristina know he's fully in her corner, he tells her that while he always thought he would have a family the life he now has is possible because of Cristina; that more than anything he wants those 40 years he once promised her regardless of whether they ever have children or not. And for Cristina, this is just the thing she needs to hear to be able to take such a chance, to meet Owen where he is, and she decides to take a leap of faith and have this baby. I mean, I know SF's usually leave us all in cliffhanger land - but to me, this option would be the more 'surprising' and 'explosive' and would show us more about 'the future of their relationship' than the predictable version in which Owen wants the baby and Cristina is freaked. I mean, if PTSD-related choking and geometry followed by more PTSD didn't sink them, paired with other old situations being resurrected, i.e. workplace conflict, in which we are, I believe, meant to see how Cristina and Owen react differently this time - well the second scenario would certainly be a different reaction to pregnancy news than we've seen for Cristina before as well as show us a less predictable response from Owen.
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Post by betinad on May 4, 2011 0:34:59 GMT -5
Ella, I love your what if scenario. I always thought about that ,it rings more real to me than the regular "Owen wants a baby, Cristina doesn't" (that is already been covered in PP - as I read , cause I dont watch the show , hahaha), and it is similar to what Meredith and Derek already went through (even Meredith's reasons are different than Cristina's, the scenario is similar, one wants kids, the other doesn't). Cristina and Owen are two very complex characters, so any typical reaction doesnt seem to fit them, so I am crossing my fingers for a more "interesting" story (hope Shonda doesn't sue me for the use of her copyrighted word
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 4, 2011 10:50:32 GMT -5
I was going to suggest a topic about Cristina perhaps deciding once and for all she doesn't want to have a baby, etc. But it would probably get too heated here, I am just thinking about a case on PP last week and wonder if the writers could pull a hail mary like that with Cristina, which would be completely out of character, but then what hasn't been lately.
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Post by ella1967 on May 6, 2011 17:02:58 GMT -5
So, I watched last night's episode again today and I wondered about some things as a result. The last few episodes have really felt to me like scene-setting for the SF and for S.8 in a lot of ways rather than telling current stories. I'll try to speak generally rather than talk about last night's episode in case there are some here who've not seen it yet, but I'll use spoiler tags also, just in case. Most of this season we've seen little story for Avery or April. I mean, they dabbled with Avery maybe having PTSD and gave us an episode about him relying on his looks rather than his surgical skills and then they slid him into a relationship with Lexie. And April was the dithery, klutzy, potential trauma surgeon who suddenly realized she did indeed have a date with Stark at his place so she freaked out. Now last night's episode showed us that suddenly Avery's got game with Webber's clinical trial and April has won Stark's heart and made him suddenly less-Grinchlike. And let the speculating begin about when Mark and Avery will duel over Lexie and when April will have a positive HIV test after last night's patient situation. I still say the three original residents - Cristina, Meredith, and Alex - are the focus of the chief resident storyline for two reasons. Both, that we root for the home team and Avery and April, accepted though they may be in lots of ways, are still outsiders about whom we know very little and because there's enough scuttlebutt about whether S.8 will be the last one with Pompeo and Dempsey so both finishing up their storyline with a bang and setting the scene for the next center stage characters is what S.8 may be about. So what better way to set that up than to create a bunch of drama for Cristina, Meredith, and Alex? Some of it I do believe is manufactured, for example - Alex extorting a patient and repeatedly calling her a b*tch was a bit crude even for him, and yet some if it this much extolled growth, or rather, growing pains, one would expect for folks we saw as professional babies 7 years ago. So - after seeing Meredith step into her marriage and try really hard to get pregnant and seemingly not care much about surgery for much of S.7 and then sort of start to get her best friend Cristina's new married life, we see Meredith tiptoe into the pharmacy and help herself to some Alzheimer's study drugs. Oh, and Alex conveniently sees her do it. So that's why he started out working on the trial - so he could participate in that uncomfortable conversation with Derek about how he was right that Meredith was the person Derek should be working with on the trial while Meredith squints painfully in the background. And after dealing with her own PTSD we see Cristina step boldly into marriage with Owen and be both strong enough and vulnerable enough to step away from the OR in order to heal and also become very communicative with Owen and compassionate at work in the process. Only to now see her devolving into a work-hungry, individually focused person at work who would rather have it out snarkily with her attending than be the reasoned and emotionally cogent person she's started to become in so many ways. Leaving Alex, who has gone from being a slacker surgeon hiding behind callous bravado whilst being steered through life by his sexual desires (sort of a mini-Mark sometimes) has turned into a gentleman who takes responsibility for his own healing and stands tall behind his decisions both at home and at work. Yet now we see him teetering on the edge of not really caring about peds so much as he's kissing butt to get chief resident while tweaking Mer about her behavior not for her but because of how it impacts him and the other residents. I really think now they want us to see these people we've rooted for crumbling a bit both for the drama of it but also to give us a reason to applaud when they finally get it right again, maybe by the SF but maybe not until S.8. And we all knew there would be no way we would simply see these three characters continue to grow in a straight line. Instead we have to see them grow so we see what they risk by going goof-goof again and acting out. And the acting out, in turn, leaves us wondering a bit about how they'll respond to what they'll be handed as their 'surprising - turn things on their head' kind of moments in the SF. So that we can, in turn, wait to see them make good on this growth promise in S.8. Even so, I feel a little bit ripped off.
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Post by ella1967 on May 6, 2011 19:37:36 GMT -5
I find it unlikely that they would be hinting this hard toward a split if that's indeed what happens. Some event occurs from which we think we know Cristina's response but we won't know what she does until the SP, IMO.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 6, 2011 19:47:44 GMT -5
Maybe when they meant growth, they were talking about Cristina's possible pregnant belly
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Post by betinad on May 6, 2011 22:30:39 GMT -5
I am thinking on other potential "difficult" scenarios, that are not baby related. I am watching some of the clips (havent seen the whole episode yet) and I noticed when Teddy says something around the lines of "Cristina not being strong enough to stand Callie's dead" or something like that. And I remember Owen said to her when she went rogue on the child in the OR with him "one day your luck will run out"...
what if it is Cristina making a big mistake in the OR on somebody they know?
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Post by ella1967 on May 6, 2011 22:59:33 GMT -5
I am thinking on other potential "difficult" scenarios, that are not baby related. I am watching some of the clips (havent seen the whole episode yet) and I noticed when Teddy says something around the lines of "Cristina not being strong enough to stand Callie's dead" or something like that. And I remember Owen said to her when she went rogue on the child in the OR with him "one day your luck will run out"... what if it is Cristina making a big mistake in the OR on somebody they know? I thought of that too - this theme of luck and Cristina's luck running out potentially referring to a patient. Seems unlikely she would get attached to a patient in two episodes, enough so to have it be something around which she would need to make a decision between her career and her relationship and/or something they're not sure how to come back from. Unless they really mess with us and it's Henry. Doubtful but he is in the hospital in the SF. I've also been trying to come up with other ideas that would fit this bill and I wish something made sense other than her being pregnant and saying she can't have the baby and Owen being heartbroken at that and we won't see them be able to face each other about how to move forward until next season. In that scenario they would be trying to figure out how to come back from that situation but needing to retreat to neutral corners to do it. I wouldn't put it past Shonda to do a bait and switch, in terms of not knowing what Cristina does until S.8. Having had a baby storyline in mind for Cristina twice and once before for Owen and Cristina the likelihood of it ending in an abortion would be pretty small, but it might be a knee jerk idea for Cristina if she goes to that place of fear and doesn't know how to come out of it and it would be something Owen might not know how to come back from initially, either. Who knows - maybe my previous scenario about Owen letting Cristina know what he wants most is a life with her whether or not they ever have children and that frees her enough to take the leap of faith and have a baby?
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Post by abbyfactor on May 6, 2011 23:16:42 GMT -5
What I took from that scene, more so than Teddy's assertion that Cristina made a rash decision against Teddy's judgment, was the look on Owen's face when Teddy said at the end of that scene was that there was no telling Cristina anything because she thought she was always right. To me, that felt like a callback to the scene where Cristina tells Owen she 'grows up as much as she plans to'. I think it would be interesting if Cristina indeed made a mistake in the OR...but I am still leaning towards all of those pregnancy/baby anvils we have been getting the latter half of this season as the 'disturbing' news.
My worry for the finale and for Owen/Cristina is Shonda's teaser that how they handle the situation would 'speak volumes about the future of their relationship' coupled with the new spoiler in which Kevin says the fans would be sad and Cristina and Owen don't know how to find their way back... not to mention Shonda's older interview where she said the finale would be particularly difficult for O/C fans. The scenarios I am envisioning related to an unexpected pregnancy...none of them are exactly comforting.
My thinking as of right now regarding the finale is that Cristina doesn't get Chief Resident, she finds that out just as she finds out she's pregnant...which leads into drama for Cristina and Owen, which leads into a split that will take us into the hiatus. My only question is how that drama comes about and how the split is caused...because we as fans need something to take into the hiatus for this couple, otherwise what is the point of wanting to come back and watch in the fall? I hope I am wrong and that the spoilers are misleading...but Kevin did say that the fans would be 'sad' going into the summer hiatus, and I just can't imagine what else but a separation of some sort that would lead to that end.
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Post by ella1967 on May 6, 2011 23:25:53 GMT -5
After reading this one through a couple more times it seems I agree with a thoughtful and optimistic friend of mine. Kevin talks specifically about Owen and Cristina in the SF in that first sentence. In some ways, it's not surprising given all we've heard about their storyline currently. But then the second sentence he talks about 'the prospect of the makeups (plural) that can be made' as if he's talking about the SF in general. I mean, we already know that Meredith's trial tinkering comes to light, there will be trouble for Owen and Cristina, Alex's girlfriend may be leaving since the actress is waiting to hear if her pilot gets picked up, ditto for Scott Foley, and we can guess there will be trouble in Mark and Lexie and Avery-land plus, it's unlikely Callie and Arizona will dance off into the SF horizon unscathed, plus Adele's life hangs in the balance and who knows what will happen with Bailey and Eli (where was he at the wedding btw? I bet he cleans up nice too.) So...I'm going to try to retain the Princess of Positivity title given to me by some friends on another site and believe this does not necessarily spell doom and gloom for Owen and Cristina. At least not until two weeks from now when I've seen the show for myself. P.S. Besides - there's no saying the 'pretty life changing moments' at the end of the SF Kevin mentioned in a previous interview are the same as this 'is there a way back' moment. We've been fed seemingly endless spoilers about how Owen and Cristina would be in conflict through the end of the season. What if that's the S.7 red herring?
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 7, 2011 20:17:01 GMT -5
I was kidding about the pregnant belly part LOL but I wonder if Cristina just kind of throws her hands up in the air and decides to quit (again) since Teddy isn't teaching her, she can't get chief resident, I wonder hwo long she thinks she can be inspired by SGH? That being said I think its possible she might accept an offer somewhere without consulting Owen or something of that nature.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 9, 2011 0:35:25 GMT -5
I started thinking about Kevins comments about the finale again. I wonder I'd the sad part is that we see how hurt Cristina gets by not getting CR and that obviously puts a strain on OC and maybe she feels like she can't balancE both anymore. I wonder how much the possibility of Teddy leaving has to do with it too. If Cristina ends up pregnant perhaps her not getting CR is a blessing n disguise
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Post by ella1967 on May 9, 2011 8:50:24 GMT -5
I started thinking about Kevins comments about the finale again. I wonder I'd the sad part is that we see how hurt Cristina gets by not getting CR and that obviously puts a strain on OC and maybe she feels like she can't balancE both anymore. I wonder how much the possibility of Teddy leaving has to do with it too. If Cristina ends up pregnant perhaps her not getting CR is a blessing n disguise It could be. Cristina is being portrayed again as an overly competitive person with a lot of bravado in her response to both her attempts to get chief resident and in her conflict with Teddy. It's that kind of bravado and sass that makes people think she's unfeeling. And one of Kevin's interviews also talked about how one of Owen's frustrations is that Cristina gets in these places in which she can't tell Owen what she needs or what she feels. I think that's because it's an emerging language for her. This season has been about her old definition of self - surgeon first and foremost - splintering and reforming and then colliding with her emerging definition of self - wife, godmother, etc. We might finally hear her talk about some of that in the SF which would show how complicated being married to the man you love, who also happens to be a department head at the hospital at which you work and be choosing CR, etc. happens to be. I do think the workplace stuff is still about getting Cristina to a place in which she begins to react differently so we may see some of this coming from the CR race, cardio still being off the table, and then alongside Meredith coming clean about the trial. And you're right that not getting a high-powered job is a blessing in disguise if she winds up pregnant. But if we get some emotional exploration for Cristina and Owen, even without the possibility of a baby looming, I'll be happy.
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Post by iveocd on May 9, 2011 10:44:21 GMT -5
Haven't read many spoilers/or delved into all the theories floating around, so don't know if the following theory has been ticked off yet ?? .... maybe she is pregnant, but the baby has a disability and they are faced with the decision on whether to terminate... she says yes .. ... he says no.... or the other way round which leads to a disagreement and separation during the hiatus ... with Cristina having a rethink over the summer and leading us nicely into a reunion in S8 SP and a Yang-Hunt family by S8 SF...... . Yes, ... Cristina can have it all... a loving husband in Owen, brilliant career and a beautiful family.... but if the baby needs special, full-time care... that could prove a tougher challenge for her/them... may mean they can't both give their careers full attention.. which would mean one of them has to step down a gear.... and that just might have to be Cristina if Owen is offered Chief ... .. just a thought
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