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Post by ushersboo97 on Mar 19, 2013 1:41:21 GMT -5
I think Cristina being a legal guardian is a great idea. And Meredith acts like she likes Owen now. Man, I hate negative posts.
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Post by drwyatt on Mar 19, 2013 7:18:42 GMT -5
ushersboo97, a lot of people have been dreading the return of this SL because they hated the decision to make Cristina abort the child of the man she loves, and allof the horrible aftermath that followed (AKA season HATE).
Tania, we have known for a long time now that this subject of Cristina and children will be revisited. I agree that it is logically inconstistent for Mer to ask Cristina to be her children's guardian if something happens to MerDer, after she her speech "explaining" Cristina to Owen. However, Mer has also witnessed firsthand, in a way that she had not at the time that she made the infamous speech, Cristina being warm and loving to her daughter. Remember at the time that she made that speech, Zola was not adopted yet. In fallout from the abortion, Cristina was living with Mer and helping out. She took care of Zola when MerDer were on the outs and Zola was needing surgery. She has also seen how Cristina has changed since her return from Minnesota. given all of that, and her tendency to be narcissistic in her relationship with Cristina, it would not surprise me that she would ask, and I think it fits into the overall SL plan to revisit the issue of Cristina's and Owen's conflicting visions over family. Of course you and everyone else who posted has the right to dread the return of this issue, but I see that the writers have laid the groundwork for Owen and Cristina to be communicating differently, so whatever the ultimate decision, either of which will be distasteful to half of the fan base, I think that their relationship is not in jeopardy, unless of course Kevin and ABC break our hearts by not coming to an agreement on a new contract.
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Post by justine on Mar 19, 2013 8:18:22 GMT -5
Ironically at present time, Cristina has everything she ever wants since season 1, she is a surgeon, has a sucessful career and a " do not know what Owen is to her" relationship... But part of where she is now is at the expense of Owen's needs. I get what Tania and CO fans feel about the fact that Cristina MAYBE will be OK to take charge of Merder's children in case something happen to them, while she aborted their child without second thought. I think that with Meredith' s request, it is a way for the writers to address the kids or family issue between CO. What is a family for Cristina and what is a family for Owen ? the fact that the whole hospital staff is a big family for Cristina and maybe Owen to some extend and the difference is that Owen maybe wants his own family and not just being "uncle Owen"... Shonda certainly plan to compensate Owen's sacrifice with Cristina being OK to foster or adopt the little boy. It is the only way Shonda has to give Owen a family of his own without compromising Cristina's stand on "I don't want a baby", meaning Shonda's political agenda...or otherwise CO has to be the childess couple. Shonda 's sarcastic message to CO fans is crystal clear: the cute ten year litlle boy "pooty trained" or nothing ? Your choice CO fans ?
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Post by S5fan on Mar 19, 2013 9:20:44 GMT -5
All in all, for me personally, the reason I continue watching the show is Owen´s bond with this boy and all I care about is that Owen will hopefully be able to adopt this boy Ethan, or become his foster parent. What Cristina does is quite honestly an I don´t care for me. She can be a guardian to whomever Meredith asks her to be. I would have cared last season,but not anymore. In a nutshell, I just find it totally ridiculous, and above all CRUEL of Meredith to ask her that and totally illogical for Cristina to agree. That is all basically :-) I only hope Owen will never know any of this as it would break his heart even more than the abortion.
I think Meredith is the worst TV character I have ever witnessed. If only Cristina finally realised, for her own sake what kind of "best friend" she has in Meredith.
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Post by drwyatt on Mar 19, 2013 9:30:44 GMT -5
A bad friend, yes. Narcisstic, yes. Controlling, enmeshed, intrusive? All yes. "The worst TV character ever witnessed"?? Come on.
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Post by trinity on Mar 19, 2013 11:13:57 GMT -5
ushersboo97, a lot of people have been dreading the return of this SL because they hated the decision to make Cristina abort the child of the man she loves, and allof the horrible aftermath that followed (AKA season HATE). Tania, we have known for a long time now that this subject of Cristina and children will be revisited. I agree that it is logically inconstistent for Mer to ask Cristina to be her children's guardian if something happens to MerDer, after she her speech "explaining" Cristina to Owen. However, Mer has also witnessed firsthand, in a way that she had not at the time that she made the infamous speech, Cristina being warm and loving to her daughter. Remember at the time that she made that speech, Zola was not adopted yet. In fallout from the abortion, Cristina was living with Mer and helping out. She took care of Zola when MerDer were on the outs and Zola was needing surgery. She has also seen how Cristina has changed since her return from Minnesota. given all of that, and her tendency to be narcissistic in her relationship with Cristina, it would not surprise me that she would ask, and I think it fits into the overall SL plan to revisit the issue of Cristina's and Owen's conflicting visions over family. Of course you and everyone else who posted has the right to dread the return of this issue, but I see that the writers have laid the groundwork for Owen and Cristina to be communicating differently, so whatever the ultimate decision, either of which will be distasteful to half of the fan base, I think that their relationship is not in jeopardy, unless of course Kevin and ABC break our hearts by not coming to an agreement on a new contract. I agree that given how Mer's has been portrayed in her relationship with Cristina is not surprising that she makes the request. She can be insensitive like that. In fact it's Mer's insensitivity and disrespect that is bothering me not whether Cristina says yes or no to the request. Honestly it would be kind of hard to say "no" to such a request. A friend asking you to be her children's guardian in case something happens to her and her husband is hard to refuse. Just out of good sense. And the fact that Cristina has been a great friend. Mer knows that very well. But given the fact that Cristina is in a relationship with a man who has stated that he wants children, who has been deeply hurt by Cristina's decision to abort their baby and their relationship has been almost completely destroyed because of that, Mer should know better. But I guess she could care less about Owen and about C/O as a couple. When one is selfish like that it's hard to see beyond her yard. No matter what Cristina's response would be - what interests me more is Cristina having a conversation about it with Owen, before taking the decision. Because I do think Owen should know about this. Given how caring Cristina has been with Owen in the last episodes, I'd think she will do that. Which is what is more important to me. Mer is insensitive and selfish, and we cannot change that. Seeing Cristina reacting differently than before and including Owen in her decisions is what I hope we will see. Owen bonding with the 10 year old boy and Mer's request to Cristina will definitely be factors that will open the discussion between Cristina and Owen about the kids issue in the next episodes.
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Post by S5fan on Mar 19, 2013 11:54:25 GMT -5
A bad friend, yes. Narcisstic, yes. Controlling, enmeshed, intrusive? All yes. "The worst TV character ever witnessed"?? Come on. I wrote the worst character I have ever witnessed. I have only watched a few TV shows as a devoted viewer so far, currently only Greys and out of those I have watched so far, yes, she is to me.
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Post by S5fan on Mar 19, 2013 12:03:50 GMT -5
Ironically at present time, Cristina has everything she ever wants since season 1, she is a surgeon, has a sucessful career and a " do not know what Owen is to her" relationship... But part of where she is now is at the expense of Owen's needs. What is a family for Cristina and what is a family for Owen ? the fact that the whole hospital staff is a big family for Cristina and maybe Owen to some extend and the difference is that Owen maybe wants his own family and not just being "uncle Owen"... Shonda certainly plan to compensate Owen's sacrifice with Cristina being OK to foster or adopt the little boy. It is the only way Shonda has to give Owen a family of his own without compromising Cristina's stand on "I don't want a baby", meaning Shonda's political agenda...or otherwise CO has to be the childess couple. Shonda 's sarcastic message to CO fans is crystal clear: the cute ten year litlle boy "pooty trained" or nothing ? Your choice CO fans ? I think the same and if you think about it, so at first Cristina let´s say will be OK to be a legal guardian to Meredith´s children/because what else the bigger role might refer to?/, so then, she could be OK to be a foster parent/guardian/, I am not sure what the difference is really or if there is any/ to Ethan if it comes to it? Is this how Shonda operates? Meredith, then Owen as usual the order?
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Post by drwyatt on Mar 19, 2013 12:43:18 GMT -5
"I wrote the worst character I have ever witnessed. I have only watched a few TV shows as a devoted viewer so far, currently only Greys and out of those I have watched so far, yes, she is to me." I stand corrected then. You mean not everyone is glued to the screen daily like me?
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Post by kaz on Mar 19, 2013 12:47:05 GMT -5
Discussion of things such as characters being the worst or best on tv etc is off topic and inciteful. Stick to the topic (a discussion of spoilers), do not get heated or repeat yourself over and over again or this thread will be locked temporarily to allow all to cool down and reacquaint themselves with the rules.
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Post by kaz on Mar 19, 2013 12:59:24 GMT -5
Is there a possibility that Cristina's feelings about not wanting to have children are more about not wanting to go through the early stages - ie of having a baby, which is entirely dependent on its parents, and needing to put her career on hold for a time etc - but that she is not necessarily opposed to caring for an older child, who is demanding in other ways but not as co-dependent??
I don't know. It just feels like with these potential guardianship storylines (of Meredith's kids and this mystery boy) Shonda could be setting it up to say 'I told you Cris would never have a baby, not that she would never be a mum' or something along those lines so she can maintain that she never backed down on this.
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Post by justine on Mar 19, 2013 15:04:51 GMT -5
...It just feels like with these potential guardianship storylines (of Meredith's kids and this mystery boy) Shonda could be setting it up to say 'I told you Cris would never have a baby, not that she would never be a mum' or something along those lines so she can maintain that she never backed down on this. ITA. From the moment Shonda told in her last interview on THR regarding Cristina not changing her mind on no baby, and not wanting to be a mother, but she will be OK to be a guardian of merder kids or the ten year old litlle boy. That is the farest concession Shonda will allow Cristina to do. ...and Shonda will also use CO as a artifact for another of her own agenda campaign apart fron her own CHEAP feminism stand: adoption. Its seems that every character of this show has to do or deal with adoption in one way or another way...Last Shonda's slogan could be "adoption is not only about babies but there are boys or girls who are waiting for a family to care for them..." Still, I am puzzled with the fact that Cristina still consider herself first as a surgeon ?! As far as the common sense is concerned, to be a surgeon is a profession, a job... Excuse me Mrs Shonda, can you tell us WHAT is Cristina Yang ? And WHO is Cristina Yang ?
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Post by drwyatt on Mar 19, 2013 16:54:57 GMT -5
I don't know. It just feels like with these potential guardianship storylines (of Meredith's kids and this mystery boy) Shonda could be setting it up to say 'I told you Cris would never have a baby, not that she would never be a mum' or something along those lines so she can maintain that she never backed down on this. Well, Cristina has said I don't want to be a mother. She said it to Owen and to Meredith. Shonda did say in a tweet that there will not be a baby, BUT, she also talks about the show season by season, and I took that phrase in the context of this season only. On the other hand, she also said that she thought it was important to show a woman who doesn't want to be a mother, and that there is nothing wrong with not wanting to be a mother. I am hoping against hope that season 10 offers the possibility of a child for Owen and Cristina, and that this season closes with them having discussed the issue and come to some sort of decision together. (I know, I'm a sucker, and an idiot, but I will go to the series finale with that hope.) I definitely think that this young boy, and Meredith's potential request, which we don't know for certain what that will be, will initiate the hard discussions that we all know are coming. I think Owen and Cristina have grown so much in terms of how they communicate with each other, and she has grown in her ability to comprehend that Owen has feelings that are separate from hers. She gets him on a much deeper level now, and asking to try again with someone that you know wants children means that you know it will have to be discussed. She has intermittently tried to initiate the conversation, but it has been put off due to lawsuit and board drama. He's avoided it because I think he is afraid of the outcome. Spoilers are so frustrating because they move us beyond the moment. We aren't going to see anything on this for 2 weeks. but I can't stop peeking
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Mar 19, 2013 17:13:06 GMT -5
i just want her to acknowledge his feelings and how her hasty decison contributed to the decay of their relationship last yr. if she can fully nderstand his guilt regarding the crash, what is stopping her from understanding what his feelings were about the abortion.
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Post by ushersboo97 on Mar 19, 2013 22:51:19 GMT -5
Note: moved to the discussion thread
How can she be 28 weeks pregnant? If my calculations are correct, she's 7 months pregnant. She looks much smaller than that.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Mar 20, 2013 8:46:28 GMT -5
This is GA it's never been in real time they have always skipped around plus they probably want the finale to focus on her pregnancy so they want to drag this out.
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Post by justine on Mar 20, 2013 9:01:07 GMT -5
Sides for 9x22 are out. Someone got them, please ? I have been told that there is some kind of resolution on a..."triangle" relationship...yeah you read it... Do not hate me, LOL ! ;D Maybe Cristina/Meredith/Derek or Owen/Cristina/Meredith...or both triangle sets ! It seems that the twisted sisters relationship is to be severed.
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Post by deneeane on Mar 20, 2013 10:59:10 GMT -5
Wow Justine that is major
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Post by S5fan on Mar 20, 2013 14:49:33 GMT -5
Yes, a great guess Justine.
I´d go with this one Cristina/Meredith/Derek.
But I´d guess Derek is OUT for good and CM is strong again.
I don´t think this is about Owen. As patients almost always reflect what characters are going through In the sides this male character Danny could represent what Derek might be going through worrying about his wife condition.Of course we know Meredith´s birth is getting closer, I think Cristina will be the one who will finally tell Derek what to do with his pregnant wife. Danny totally loses it all, being told his wife loves Cherise more than him and she knows best what she needs.
I might be wrong, just a prediction.
I´ll go even further than this, but I believe the first person to be with Meredith once she gives birth will be Cristina not Derek. Or both Alex and Cristina will assist Meredith while she is giving birth.
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Post by browncoatwhit on Mar 20, 2013 15:00:05 GMT -5
Is there a possibility that Cristina's feelings about not wanting to have children are more about not wanting to go through the early stages - ie of having a baby, which is entirely dependent on its parents, and needing to put her career on hold for a time etc - but that she is not necessarily opposed to caring for an older child, who is demanding in other ways but not as co-dependent?? I don't know. It just feels like with these potential guardianship storylines (of Meredith's kids and this mystery boy) Shonda could be setting it up to say 'I told you Cris would never have a baby, not that she would never be a mum' or something along those lines so she can maintain that she never backed down on this. I'm coming a bit late into this conversation, but here it is anyway: I don't think this impending storyline is insulting to any single character or OOC for anyone, or anything of the sort. And I agree with Kaz -- I think the potential guardianship storyline is just laying down bread crumbs for future plotlines. Here's my personal angle: my husband and I are both career professionals. Neither of us have ever wanted kids. However, we're also both have clear understandings with both sides of our families -- should anything happen to my sister, or should anything happen to my brother-in-law and his wife, we will be there for our nieces and nephews. We are capable of being responsible, loving and invested parents to our nieces and nephews IF that should be necessary. We ALL hope it never will be, but just because we don't want children of our own doesn't mean we won't step up if that should become necessary (and it is a very real possibility in the case of my sister and her three little kids).
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