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Post by katleehow on May 17, 2011 19:49:33 GMT -5
I wish you were right, but the source is VERY RELIABLE. That is why I am so nauseous because where is the growth, seriously. Even though they break up, she is still pregnant at the end of the SF but she has an abortion appt. set. So maybe just maybe she changes her mind, because honestly I don't see any way back from that. Definitely not the ideal way to end the SF but I guess Shonda thought we haven't had a rough, uncertain hiatus yet so it is our turn now. I am very relieved that Cristina is still pregnant because there is still hope. It bugs that Mer and Cris will be together instead of with their spouses celebrating their babies. This is so Shonda though.... we can't have Mer and Derek happy and taking care of their daughter on their first night at home or Cristina and Owen excited about a new baby...that would be too pedestrian and make too much sense. She is going to make us work for it and torture us through the summer. With that said, I actually feel better because I think if season 8 opens right after this then we are going to have an incredible make-up scene and finally growth from both of them. Maybe Owen goes to Cristina at the appointment and by doing that Cristina then decides to have their baby. or I would love to see Cristina go back to Owen and give her own big declaration like in epi 7.2 from Owen. Any other ideas???
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 17, 2011 20:56:40 GMT -5
I spent the better part of this afternoon talking people down from hysteria on twitter regarding this LOL I think everything should be taken with a grain of salt. This is based on a supposed script that someone says they saw and that means nothing to me because scripts are changed constantly.
Also, I just keep remembering what Kevin has said. First he said that at the end of Season 5 O/C were to find out about a pregnancy and were going to raise the baby in Season 6. So there is a big possibility that is where they will still go with this in the end. I have a feeling that perhaps its another case of Kevin and Sandra fighting for a particular s/l for their characters, at least I like to think it that way.
Secondly, Kevin has said about the end of the season that we would at first be sad, but then we will be excited about all the possibilities of make ups, etc. So I am guessing that there might be a temporary breather, but not necessarily ending in an abortion because I honestly don't think OC would be able to come back from something like that if she aborts against his wishes. So the fact that Kevin said we'll be excited is a good sign I think that even if Cristina has made an appointment which has been speculated, she doesn't go through with it but we won't find that out until the fall. My advice is just wait it out we knew OC were in for a bumpy ride at the end of the season, there has to be some kind of cliffhanger.
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Post by hopew on May 17, 2011 21:00:24 GMT -5
I wish you were right, but the source is VERY RELIABLE. That is why I am so nauseous because where is the growth, seriously. Even though they break up, she is still pregnant at the end of the SF but she has an abortion appt. set. So maybe just maybe she changes her mind, because honestly I don't see any way back from that. Well, if she's still pregnant we know there's a way back. Same goes if Meredith has Zola with her - there's a way back for that pairing too. Just what I want - soulmates Cristina and Meredith consoling each other and supporting each other back to their marriages? Urp. Yep. If this is how this season ends, we'll know Shonda's real target audience is high school girls whose most important relationships are with their BFFs. And that sound you will hear is the footsteps of viewers over thirty headings for the exits!
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Post by ella1967 on May 17, 2011 23:38:45 GMT -5
I am the princess of positivity so I will try to earn my title. I am too committed to Cristina and Owen's storyline to ET/Elliott my way into seeing parallels between their storyline and Meredith and Derek's. Will expend no energy on that piece of it just yet. What we know so far is that we have been told for months that things will be bumpy for Owen and Cristina and that, in Kevin's words, their wedding wasn't their happy ending but that through a lot of make it or break it moments they will end up old and grey together...or since this is network television which only goes for so many seasons, there will be an eventual good outcome. We also know that, as I've said for quite a while, that the professional issues were a feint for the personal issues coming to the forefront with a big bang via an unexpected pregnancy. The only confirmed information about their storyline is the sneak peek in which Cristina can't keep herself from sharing the news of her pregnancy with Owen. And through that short clip we see Owen stepping into full-on supportive husband mode, addressing what he thinks are her concerns, career and her unclarified statements about not wanting a baby. The only bit of unexpected news we get from Cristina, besides that she told Owen, is her comment about not being the beautiful vessel carrying his hopes and dreams. And we also see her step into what he's saying, listening intently, scared at some points, but trying to grasp a way through this situation with Owen's help. The promos also showed us at least two other conversations between them during the day - one at work and one at home. And then there's Kevin telling us Owen and Cristina will be wondering if there's a way back from something that happens in this episode and that while fans will be sad they will also be excited for the make ups and drama to come. In order to earn my title I will still say this isn't about how to tear them apart, especially if the previous traumas they've been through haven't done it. I mean, near strangulation and near triangulation didn't do it. So I think the next phase of their storyline is both how to communicate, now that they've learned how to do it around work issues in 7.21, as well as the mirror to Cristina thinking an abortion was her only option way back when as opposed to having the same reaction this time around but a different outcome. And no, I don't mean another miscarriage, but rather, a dawning awareness within herself of what holds her back and the ability to let Owen into that fear/insecurity/whatever and maybe come up with a different answer. I think we'll see them both scared and raw in this episode and trying to meet each other where they are, or where they think they are, because each of them has only been partly communicating - more emphasis on Cristina's side, I expect. Maybe this will be how they finally talk on camera about her miscarriage, maybe. But for sure not until S.8. As much as I believe there will be cliffhangery moments - seemingly not as good as their S.6 OR scene - I also don't doubt there has to be enough hope in this episode to carry fans of all the characters through, not just the ones I've come to find boring.
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 18, 2011 2:52:40 GMT -5
I am still hopeful that this SL will result in them having this baby. I agree that there will be a cliffhanger and a tortured hiatus for us CO fans!
We know these 2 are like magnets- there is too much force, pull between them to be apart for long. I do not see her in the end going through with the abortion. One thing she does know is that she wants Owen and I think it will click for her that she wants his baby, all beit that this will happen in season 8.
One thing we should console ourselves with is that KM&K and SO do angst so well that we are going to see some great scenes and all that amazing chemistry they have together.
We will get back to the happy in the fall!
That's all the positive I got right now!
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Post by Leanne on May 18, 2011 11:37:05 GMT -5
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 18, 2011 16:02:45 GMT -5
I have to start thinking there is a reason why Cristina has regressed so much this season, but maybe we are seeing season 2 Cristina for a reason. I'm going to try to make an outline of her journeys with Burke and Owen maybe something will make sense?
Relationships:
Cristina/Burke Their relationship was more of a push/pull, where even defining what they were in the beginning was a struggle for both. It was more like they were competing with each other than equal partners. Cristina was very competitive and so was Burke, she pretty much idolized him and then he eventually made choices that almost cost her the career she loves so much hence the "he took little pieces of me" comment. Burke left Cristina at the alter realizing that he was trying to make her be something that she wasn't.
Cristina/Owen: Well we know what happened with them, how it was an instant spark between them after a night of them patching each other up literally, then later on in their relationship. Though unlike with Burke, this is not a competitive union. Owen's PTSD made him the vulnerable one, and Cristina the strong one. They skip steps in their relationship that most couples take years to get to. Cristina starts realizing that she can't live with out him, and vice versa, but even when they are confronted with an emotional affair Owen had in the past with Teddy they persevere.
Family/Pregnancy:
Cristina/Burke: She tells Meredith and George about her first pregnancy and made an appointment at a clinic. Meredith officially became Cristina's 'person'. Burke doesn't find out about the baby until Cristina collapses in the OR during his surgery. Then she realizes it is an ectopic pregnancy, one she didn't want anyway, and they had to remove a fallopian tube. Cristina has a breakdown in the hospital when it finally hits her and the only one that can console her is Burke. He asked Cristina what she was planning to do and she told him, afterwards he said that he just had a right to know. Then they never discuss it again but they go on to get engaged, etc.
Cristina/Owen: Owen didn't realize Cristina didn't want kids until that time in the OR with Teddy when he was going through PTSD again. Again they don't really talk about it after that. When they go through the triangle with Teddy and the shooting happens, they take another jump and get married. Again the topic of kids is not discussed until Cristina jokingly says taht she's glad he's not trying to get her pregnant and Owen is visibly annoyed that she doesn't consider his notion of the future. Now they are faced with an unexpected pregnancy. Considering Cristina's growth it is very possible she will keep this baby, its likely that she thinks she is already a failure at it, or she wants to terminate it as a kind of defense mechanism because of her last experience, but the difference this time is she has a supportive partner, and her life is different than it was 6 years ago. Plus with the metaphor of the tree growing in the patient's lung, all signs point to a baby being born.
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 18, 2011 17:57:32 GMT -5
A quick response- this show works so well with metaphor, especially with this couple.
I totally agree that the tree thriving in a hostile environment is a foreshadow to Cristina and Owen having their baby. Also of course the icicle- this is the man that removed her icicle! He has made her truly feel, wholly love and be able to express all of this to him and with him.
She will finally see that she wants her husband and their child.
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Post by hopew on May 18, 2011 19:08:35 GMT -5
A quick response- this show works so well with metaphor, especially with this couple. I totally agree that the tree thriving in a hostile environment is a foreshadow to Cristina and Owen having their baby. Also of course the icicle- this is the man that removed her icicle! He has made her truly feel, wholly love and be able to express all of this to him and with him. She will finally see that she wants her husband and their child. I agree with you that that is the most likely ultimate outcome. But the question is how much damage gets done along the way. If this plays out on screen tomorrow as we now expect it to, with Cristina so determined to have the abortion that she and Owen separate, the relationship will be compromised even if Shonda does her usual bait-and-switch and has Cristina change her mind sometime early next season. It's like a tear in a piece of fabric - it can be repaired to some extent but the damage never really goes away. I know about this from a personal experience that I'm not sure that I want to describe in a post. But let's just say that when one partner in a marriage asks the other to terminate a pregnancy, even an ill-timed one, when the other partner does not want the pregnancy terminated, there is a pretty profound betrayal of trust that has taken place. If Cristina pushes it to the point they split up over it - - as we now expect she will - - it's hard to imagine them coming back together on anything like the terms that they were on before. And the fact that Cristina said she didn't want children is not, IMO, the real issue here. NOBODY working 80 hours a week wants kids (that's why the sudden Mer/Der fixation with babies seems so odd to me). And had this accidental pregnancy not happened, it's possible that Owen and Cristina would ultimately have decided to remained childless by choice; that is, that Owen would have accepted Cristina's vision of her life. But there is a huge, huge difference between not wanting a pregnancy in theory and aborting an actual child, particularly one conceived in a loving relationship. Every woman should have the legal right to choose whether or not to continue a particular pregnancy. But for this woman, in this relationship (which we've been told and have seen - - through Kevin and Sandra's wonderful performances - - is a deeply committed and loving one) the emotional choice shouldn't be possible. She shouldn't be capable of hurting Owen so deeply, and if she is the relationship isn't what we were led to believe it was. OR Shonda doesn't give a d**n about emotional or character consistency, and is just grasping at straws to try to bring up her ratings. Whether this particular maneuver works remains to be seen.
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Post by ella1967 on May 18, 2011 19:40:27 GMT -5
A couple idle thoughts.
7.1's title was 'With You I'm Born Again' 7.22's title is 'Unaccompanied Minor' So, compare and contrast? More of those metaphors Hannah mentioned?
One thing Shonda said early in S.7 was that the staff of SGH coming back to themselves after the shooting 'feels like we're sitting on the porch watching the kids play' or something to that effect.
We started getting S.7 spoilers late May last year.
And an addendum - we have been seeing Cristina growing in nothing close to a straight line this season and we've thrown in PTSD, stepping away from surgery all together, marrying Owen when she felt profoundly unsafe in her own skin except when he was with her, workplace conflict and now, an unexpected pregnancy. We've seen her be 'increasingly defiant,' to borrow a phrase from the 7.21 episode summary, as a way to see her be unpredictable enough to both tell Owen she's pregnant and begin to run this situation through with her man, her rock but also to still be adamant about not becoming a mother.
Alongside this plot we've seen Owen step into his own skin, seemingly very much healed and adapted to life in Seattle as the natural leader he appeared to be in Before. He stepped seamlessly into proposing to Cristina and being the man she needed him to be and also became someone who could tell her painful truths in honest and emotional ways that no one else could. He's been a supportive teacher and mentor; a kicka$$ surgeon, and relied upon friend to both Derek and Chief Webber.
And now, when faced with the biggest hurdle their relationship has ever faced they both step into it and, likely, also break down. The fabric of their marriage may never be what it once was but I know from personal experience too, the depth of which I won't post here, how tragedy and bad choices can impact a marriage and make you reassess the relationship you have with the person you love the most and who knows you the best and, ultimately, come out stronger and the better for it. And it is from that perspective that I will watch tomorrow night's episode and cry along with the rest of you as some things are maybe torn asunder and cheer the moments of hope that will cut the pain as Kevin and Sandra act the bejeebers out of this plot.
Modified to add another idle thought: To build on something Marryme said above - Cristina and Owen's baby will grow in its hostile environment portended by ET and Elliott?
Meredith's got the medically diagnosed hostile uterus, so now Cristina's is too but in a different way. But we see Meredith get a family she didn't know she wanted in a way she didn't expect so maybe this plot is about how Cristina does the same thing.
We saw Derek giddily suggest to Meredith they adopt Zola and we saw her looking decidedly squeamish even as she held cute little Zola in her arms. But now we've seen Meredith tenderly take Zola onto her lap and tell her she's her mother in a touching scene that's all about Meredith stepping into motherhood. I suspect a similar epiphany is on its way for Cristina about baby McBada$$.
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Post by ella1967 on May 18, 2011 19:42:36 GMT -5
Mega Buzz on Grey's What can you tell us about the season finale of Grey's Anatomy? — Katie NATALIE: Alex's decision to reveal that Meredith tampered with the Alzheimer's clinical trial is going to come back to haunt him. "Alex is going to have to deal with the fallout of making the choice to rat her out," Sarah Drew tells us. "He walks into the decision hoping to accomplish one thing and ends up accomplishing something completely different which creates a huge storm of drama between him and Meredith." I didn't pull the link from TVGuide but it appears 'Charlies Angels' got picked up for the fall so it seems Lucy is indeed going to Africa never to return to Seattle.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 18, 2011 20:26:28 GMT -5
I agree I can't see OC surviving if she does terminate the pregnancy. If Kevin is positive about them making up, I think it is just a temporary freak out for her until she comes around. Someone, Derek or Meredith is going to convince her I think. I hope the writers do justice to this storyline because it is a truly delicate subject for some.
I just wish we had more consistency in terms of them working up to this. Its a shame how they are now using Mer/Der and O/C as book ends instead of how they should be used. I hope some of the cast trims down this season and next season will bring out more of the original characters
I'm convinced that the last scene we will see is Cristina on the exam room table and the first scene we'll see of her in the premiere is Cristina with a baby bump
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 19, 2011 4:55:37 GMT -5
I don't like to think of Cristina totally breaking Owen with this decision, as she was the woman who put him back together, just as he helped do for her this season.
I agree that her even contemplating an abortion is a huge betrayal to this powerful relationship built over 3 seasons. I hope that shonda opens this up and explores the deep rooted fears Cristina has over becoming a mother and allows her to let Owen in. We have seen how skilled this couple have become at being honest and expressing their feelings- why waste it now!
I know we have an idea of how this is going to play out tonight but for me the more dramatic and real outcome for this SF would be Cristina and Owen going into this journey towards parenthood together. Not her spiralling off into a decision to remove a part of her husband!
I hope we are not totally broken by the end! I am not staying up till 2am, UK time, to be totally heartbroken!
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 19, 2011 4:57:03 GMT -5
Oh forgot to say, I am sure Cristina may end up working on a child plane crash victim or see Owen working wth a child. That will play in to her decision making process.
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Post by justine on May 19, 2011 5:16:51 GMT -5
Hi, hannahadsmith !
We will 2 to drink out our sorrow at 2am for you and 3am for me, Spain, local time...!
Anyway, let's check on each other in order to see how we might feel after the episode had been aired !
See you !
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 19, 2011 6:20:36 GMT -5
Definitely! Got major butterflies about it but gonna stick with it as I believe Cristina, Owen and their baby will get a happy ending in season 8!
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Post by ella1967 on May 19, 2011 8:26:49 GMT -5
So now that we have a S.8 thread - does that mean the speculation for that season will ensue about 9:05 p.m. CST? How sad is it that I'm more focused on that than on the SF? Modified to add: One thing I've been thinking about since this leaked plot hit the internet is that Cristina being pregnant will bring a lot of heat - positive and negative - to their storyline and to the fan base. It certainly already has before the episode has even aired. So - I don't think this will have a quick or easy resolution in S.8 whatever happens, which means an abortion in 8.1 is out of the question, IMO. It's way more likely they will have this baby and draw out throughout that process Cristina and Owen's reactions to the forward movement of their lives but also their feelings about the potential to not have had this baby, but I digress. I also believe this plot is about bringing the issue into the discussion about the show, the 'what if,' factor rather than showing it happening. (We may think it did to provide a red herring scene but I suspect nothing more than that.) However, what I do want to see is Cristina deciding clearly and on her own how she feels. I'm not saying I don't want her to process such a big decision with Owen because he is her husband and has a say in such a situation, and I'm not even saying I don't want her to process it with Meredith, her best friend who is also stepping into motherhood and may have a valuable perspective too. What I am saying is that Cristina has to be clear about her own feelings and how she wants to proceed. And if, if, if what we've been told happens, happens there is something that takes her from the hopeful way she's looking to Owen in that sneak peek while also falling back on old thinking about babies that ultimately swings her thinking toward 'no way.' Which is a valid decision in this world, yet I feel we'll be seeing more of those good old anvils falling on her head and she will be reacting to them instead of truly checking in with herself. This is Grey's after all. And since Cristina's season ending workplace story has been how her instinct is toward reckless decision-making, and how that will catch up to her one day, I think this story brings that home in a hugely personal way. Which I think has been the whole point this season. No matter how Cristina proceeds she has to be sure it's how she feels and a path that feels right to her. Not because Owen wants a family with her and is positive it would work or because Meredith fought and lost her fertility battle. She has to make a deliberative decision and be clear it's what she wants. They're pushing the career or love 'choice' pretty hard for her and I really do think it's to see her ultimately make very different choices than how she's handled this issue in the past and to see her growing through that process and also how her marriage with Owen will become a different kind of 'calm in the storm' for her than it has been to this point. We will see Cristina and Owen becoming a full-fledged, more deeply felt partnership, warts and all, in S.8.
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Post by trinity on May 19, 2011 11:07:36 GMT -5
I understand what many of you are saying and I respect it.
Cristina must do this and must do that and decide for herself. I totally agree. But she is in a marriage in a partnership, this is NOT only her decision, it's Owen's too.
What about Owen? what does he feel? what does he want? He loves Cristina very much, but that means he has to be like a doormat and just accept anything Cristina decides? He has a say in this and I see most including Cristina seem to ignore that. He will never free willingly accept Cristina aborting his child, because that would be killing a part of him and of Cristina too and what they mean together.
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Post by justine on May 19, 2011 11:42:51 GMT -5
I understand what many of you are saying and I respect it. Cristina must do this and must do that and decide for herself. I totally agree. But she is in a marriage in a partnership, this is NOT only her decision, it's Owen's too. What about Owen? what does he feel? what does he want? He loves Cristina very much, but that means he has to be like a doormat and just accept anything Cristina decides? He has a say in this and I see most including Cristina seem to ignore that. He will never free willingly accept Cristina aborting his child, because that would be killing a part of him and of Cristina too and what they mean together. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ITA with you ! what about Owen ? Does he have to give up on his feelings to accomodate Cristina ? In any healthy relationship, if you do love someone, there is a balance of taking and giving. If not then one will be miserable and the couple will have to suffer the consequences.
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Post by ella1967 on May 19, 2011 12:05:24 GMT -5
I understand what many of you are saying and I respect it. Cristina must do this and must do that and decide for herself. I totally agree. But she is in a marriage in a partnership, this is NOT only her decision, it's Owen's too. What about Owen? what does he feel? what does he want? He loves Cristina very much, but that means he has to be like a doormat and just accept anything Cristina decides? He has a say in this and I see most including Cristina seem to ignore that. He will never free willingly accept Cristina aborting his child, because that would be killing a part of him and of Cristina too and what they mean together. Trinity - I'm not sure if you were answering me here or not but I'm moved by what you write so I'll comment. Absolutely this is not her decision to make alone. And absolutely Owen has a say in having this child. What he wants and feels matters and that's what she crashes up against realizing if this episode ends the way we think it does. Yet this also doesn't work if Cristina decides to have a baby because she knows Owen wants it without being ready to make that commitment for herself too. She has to be prepared to take that leap of faith with him. There's no halfway here and therein lies the dilemma. I think we are to be left pretty clear here that Owen wants to do whatever he can to help Cristina see the ways in which this could work, the future he envisions for them that she can't yet see. She needs to be able to envision that future, to see herself as a mother if they have this baby. Owen can't be the one to carry the faith for the both of them, she has to have it too. That's what I meant to say above. Guess this is what Kevin meant when he said he imagined the issue would raise a lot of debate, huh?
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