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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 20, 2011 22:34:08 GMT -5
I agree Ella I am just put off by SR's interview. She makes it sound like all her other characters have gotten one so why can't cris thats part of my problem.
Regardless the metaphor of the tree Cristina find in the patients lung is what keeps me thinking she will change her mind last minute and how she said she wanted it because it survived a hostile environment (hostile uterus anyone?) I also think if she goes through with it Owen will break down so much he might have another bout of PTSD and I'm sorry but I don't think they should use the illness that way when it is such an important story
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Post by ella1967 on May 20, 2011 22:53:19 GMT -5
I agree Ella I am just put off by SR's interview. She makes it sound like all her other characters have gotten one so why can't cris thats part of my problem. Regardless the metaphor of the tree Cristina find in the patients lung is what keeps me thinking she will change her mind last minute and how she said she wanted it because it survived a hostile environment (hostile uterus anyone?) I also think if she goes through with it Owen will break down so much he might have another bout of PTSD and I'm sorry but I don't think they should use the illness that way when it is such an important story I too would hate to think of PTSD being used in such a way so I'm going to cross my fingers on that one. And yes - that interview made her approach sound pretty blase but that's Shonda. On one hand I get her intent to work without taking fan concerns into account because it's her show and she has to run it in order for it to still be a going concern. But the way she says it does seem like a certain amount of justification for flaunting the big political issue as being no big deal. (RE that article: I think there's a huge difference between off camera, historical abortions for characters and those for patients we never see again vs. a married doctor who's a star of the show and would have difficulty remaining sympathetic afterward given all the circumstances.) That being said, I still think the point of the storyline won't be an abortion but a personal reckoning for Cristina about her choices regarding her marriage and this pregnancy. And not just because of the tree that grew in a hostile environment which Cristina wanted to keep. But also because of the 'I've grown up as much as I plan to and I don't come around' anvil tied so heavily to the same episode in which we got both the obvious connection between babies and communication and shared vision plus the patient anvil of 'life with risk is better than not really living.' This is all about learning how to take risks purposefully, if that makes sense, IMO. The risk comes from stepping up, not running away. And that's the Cristina Yang I want to see in S.8. And the Owen Hunt too, btw.
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Post by abbyfactor on May 20, 2011 23:20:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry...but that article with Shonda Rhimes put me off more than anything that happened in the episode. She seems to have very little respect for fans of Owen and Cristina. She basically gave every other pairing, every other fanbase some sort of reassurance for Season 8. Not O/C. Never O/C.
And it really bothers me that she is focusing on the issue as being a political one where it was very clear in the show that the issue was not about a woman's right to choose. It was about her shutting her husband out of the decision and not one media article, including one where Shonda should have shed more light on the thought process behind the storyline and what she hoped to get across with this episode, is focusing on that. If Shonda gives Cristina an abortion storyline because it would be 'good for the show' and 'historic' and all of that crap and not have it be a thought out decision that is shared by both Cristina *and* Owen...I am done. I did not watch Owen and Cristina since season 5 so Shonda could slaughter their storyline and their characters for the sake of a dramatic story.
I don't trust Shonda with this storyline, I really don't. I have no faith in her to actually think about the fans. And no, a writer does not need to succumb to the fans in the writing process, but she does need to have consideration for loyal fans who have watched for seasons and who have been screwed over at every juncture since midseason 6 and give them a reason to watch for season 8. I am okay with drama and angst, but I am not okay with Cristina and Owen's story being victim to cater to those who want to see the show deal with a hot button issue or for one episode of big ratings.
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Post by COForever on May 21, 2011 8:00:28 GMT -5
I'm sorry...but that article with Shonda Rhimes put me off more than anything that happened in the episode. She seems to have very little respect for fans of Owen and Cristina. She basically gave every other pairing, every other fanbase some sort of reassurance for Season 8. Not O/C. Never O/C. And it really bothers me that she is focusing on the issue as being a political one where it was very clear in the show that the issue was not about a woman's right to choose. It was about her shutting her husband out of the decision and not one media article, including one where Shonda should have shed more light on the thought process behind the storyline and what she hoped to get across with this episode, is focusing on that. If Shonda gives Cristina an abortion storyline because it would be 'good for the show' and 'historic' and all of that crap and not have it be a thought out decision that is shared by both Cristina *and* Owen...I am done. I did not watch Owen and Cristina since season 5 so Shonda could slaughter their storyline and their characters for the sake of a dramatic story. I don't trust Shonda with this storyline, I really don't. I have no faith in her to actually think about the fans. And no, a writer does not need to succumb to the fans in the writing process, but she does need to have consideration for loyal fans who have watched for seasons and who have been screwed over at every juncture since midseason 6 and give them a reason to watch for season 8. I am okay with drama and angst, but I am not okay with Cristina and Owen's story being victim to cater to those who want to see the show deal with a hot button issue or for one episode of big ratings. I was so perturbed after reading that article, I literally had to walk away from the computer and take a breather. I will always be a Kevin McKidd, Sandra Oh and C/O fan but I am "this close" to not being a Grey's fan. Making Cristina/Owen's storyline a political issue just rubs me the wrong way. The lovestory they initially created about two vulnerable people that had a undeniable connection and was so easily able to naturally open up to each other coupled with brilliant acting is why I became hooked on them (and I never shipped anything before). The PTSD issue in S5 was handle beautifully and then was manipulated in S6 with the ridiculous triangle. What I saw on screen in the SF was a women that kept saying "she didn't want a baby" but underneath had deep fears that would not let her even entertain the "huge life" that Owen was wanting her to envision with him. Her hastiness to schedule the abortion was cause she was scared she might change her mind. Owen being upset and kicking her out had more to do with the fact she didn't allow him to be apart of the decision, which I don't blame him. What scares me the most is what Shonda is going to do with them next season just so she can get her "political message" out, with no regards to what these characters are to their roots. For me, there is a big difference between choosing to abort when there are difficult circumstances and there is no light in the tunnel but another for a married women with a supporting husband willing to sacrifice to do what it takes. Seriously, I plan to watch the first episode of Season 8 to see where they are going to take this but if Shonda takes this storyline lightly and doesn't stay true to this couple. This story could be done so well if they stick to what made S5 break up so captivating and focus on the pure pain these two soulmates endure when apart and can't breathe without the other. I could so easily see Owen show up at her appt. to support Cristina and Cristina not able to go through with it. Now for the scenes in the SF, Kevin and Sandra were brilliant. I can't help but rewatch.
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Post by broken123 on May 21, 2011 8:57:49 GMT -5
I think if she decides to have her 15 seconds of fame for going on with the abortion, it shows that she lacks common sense. She obviously looking at the short-term "benefits" instead of the long-term consequences. If she wants to make a mark in 'history' she can go ahead, but no one will follow her. It will make Cristina's character going from well-liked to absolutely hated for many people. It will show absolutely no growth of character either. She will lose a huge chunk of viewers who watch only for C/O which might lead the show to getting cancelled in the near future anyways since Ellen and Patrick will leave at the end of season 8 and the only folks who will be sticking around are fans of Alex (if they aren't tired already), C/A, and the minority who watch for the others. It pisses me off that Shonda and co. never take into account what the fans feel about everything. They just dump the comments and reviews aside (i.e. Teddy ) However, having said that I'm hopeful that this might work out for our fanbase because Kevin is a big fan of C/O too. She may not listen to us, but we've got the biggest supporter in the GA cast playing Owen's part. I know Kevin and Sandra won't always have a lot of say in what storyline they've been given, but given that Kevin is a big fan and he loves working with Sandra and vice-versa, they might put up with a little resistance/fight if Shonda decides to pull the trigger on us.
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Post by hopew on May 21, 2011 9:13:48 GMT -5
Just fyi to all of us following this thread - - I think we've now moved into Season 8 speculation. I saw that MarryMe has already posted there. I have some thoughts on where this may go that I won't have time to post until a little later today, and when I do have time I'll post them there.
TCN everyone!
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Post by Leanne on May 21, 2011 11:33:45 GMT -5
thanks Hopew
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