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Post by Leanne on May 19, 2011 15:19:31 GMT -5
Totally agree with you it takes two to tango and whatever the finale decision is it should be joint ... and if Cris (or even Cris and Owen) is on a growth SL well having a baby is a growth experience of a different kind. So what I would love to see happen with Cristina's character is that she is going to form that attachment to the baby and find it hard to go through with what her mind is telling her, kind of a heart vs mind thing. I still feel we will be left with an uneasy cliff hanger for this season finale ...so hang in there peeps Enjoy the finale guys/gals I will be sure to check back first thing tomorrow morning to read your reviews ps Ella Speculation S8 thread I will open tomorrow
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 19, 2011 15:35:31 GMT -5
I have another theory, I just saw the sneak of Bailey and her man on The View, and she was talking about how the flight is one she always took to see her family in Baltimore.
Remember Owen got a glowing review from Maryland Shock Trauma in Baltimore when the Chief originally asked him if he wanted a job at SGH?? So I am wondering if this plane crash will affect him somehow, maybe someone he knows from there is on the plane, or he is affected emotionally by it like Bailey? Maybe seeing his reaction to that might be a key in Cristina's decision.
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Post by justine on May 19, 2011 16:43:35 GMT -5
I have another theory, I just saw the sneak of Bailey and her man on The View, and she was talking about how the flight is one she always took to see her family in Baltimore. Remember Owen got a glowing review from Maryland Shock Trauma in Baltimore when the Chief originally asked him if he wanted a job at SGH?? So I am wondering if this plane crash will affect him somehow, maybe someone he knows from there is on the plane, or he is affected emotionally by it like Bailey? Maybe seeing his reaction to that might be a key in Cristina's decision. marrymeowen, wish the plot would be as you tell, but unlikely. We are so going down the road. Join us, hannahadsmith and I, to drink our sorrow out after the episode aired. See you then. gonna to be a very long and sad summer !
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 19, 2011 17:27:14 GMT -5
Well I get to see it at 7pm eastern time (in a half hour) because Canadian TV is showing it early So I will post with spoiler tags in this thread until I can post in the regular one and let you guys know
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Post by hannahadsmith on May 19, 2011 17:52:27 GMT -5
Had a link to watch it live online at 7pm eastern time, but link not working but will follow here and then watch it on abc at 9!
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Post by COForever on May 19, 2011 17:59:48 GMT -5
me too!
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Post by betinad on May 19, 2011 18:17:03 GMT -5
episode thread is unlocked. So for those that are watching it early, you can post comments there. please remember the Spoiler tags
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Post by ella1967 on May 20, 2011 11:08:31 GMT -5
Okay - I'll say this to get it out of the way, Shonda is on my last nerve with that TVLine interview. That small bit of anger out of the way - okay, just a tiny bit more. So, she talks about everyone on the show getting be happy except she's not sure what she's going to do with Owen and Cristina. Urp. Now, onto more constructive thoughts: She's getting what she wants. People will be talking all summer about a woman's right to choose and her show will be putting a big topic out there in a big way. Providing any concrete thoughts on Owen and Cristina's predicament would take the heat off the discussion and that's not what she wants, yet. She wants us all debating and primed for September to get here. We won't get any substantive Owen and Cristina spoilers until right before the SP. And then she'll spend S.8 not talking about them at all again.
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Post by hopew on May 20, 2011 11:49:36 GMT -5
Okay - I'll say this to get it out of the way, Shonda is on my last nerve with that TVLine interview. That small bit of anger out of the way - okay, just a tiny bit more. So, she talks about everyone on the show getting be happy except she's not sure what she's going to do with Owen and Cristina. Urp. Now, onto more constructive thoughts: She's getting what she wants. People will be talking all summer about a woman's right to choose and her show will be putting a big topic out there in a big way. Providing any concrete thoughts on Owen and Cristina's predicament would take the heat off the discussion and that's not what she wants, yet. She wants us all debating and primed for September to get here. We won't get any substantive Owen and Cristina spoilers until right before the SP. And then she'll spend S.8 not talking about them at all again. I think she is also leaving her options open for other reasons. Sandra is one of the originals - her contract is up at the end of Season 8. I believe, from what I've read, that Kevin's contract has one year to go on beyond that. She may want to keep the option open of breaking them up if Sandra leaves at the end of Season 8 but Kevin stays for another year. That, IMO, is the real world, practical reason that we won't be getting any assurances from Shonda about the permanence or inevitable reunion of our couple. Since Sandra so rarely gives interviews and doesn't talk about Grey's on the rare occasions when she does, it isn't possible for us to know what her plans are. From a dramatic perspective (and also in the interest of the mental health of all of us here) it would obviously be best if Sandra and Kevin left at the same time. That's possible, but the different contract terms means Shonda has to hedge her bets.
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Post by ella1967 on May 20, 2011 12:06:27 GMT -5
Okay - I'll say this to get it out of the way, Shonda is on my last nerve with that TVLine interview. That small bit of anger out of the way - okay, just a tiny bit more. So, she talks about everyone on the show getting be happy except she's not sure what she's going to do with Owen and Cristina. Urp. Now, onto more constructive thoughts: She's getting what she wants. People will be talking all summer about a woman's right to choose and her show will be putting a big topic out there in a big way. Providing any concrete thoughts on Owen and Cristina's predicament would take the heat off the discussion and that's not what she wants, yet. She wants us all debating and primed for September to get here. We won't get any substantive Owen and Cristina spoilers until right before the SP. And then she'll spend S.8 not talking about them at all again. I think she is also leaving her options open for other reasons. Sandra is one of the originals - her contract is up at the end of Season 8. I believe, from what I've read, that Kevin's contract has one year to go on beyond that. She may want to keep the option open of breaking them up if Sandra leaves at the end of Season 8 but Kevin stays for another year. That, IMO, is the real world, practical reason that we won't be getting any assurances from Shonda about the permanence or inevitable reunion of our couple. Since Sandra so rarely gives interviews and doesn't talk about Grey's on the rare occasions when she does, it isn't possible for us to know what her plans are. From a dramatic perspective (and also in the interest of the mental health of all of us here) it would obviously be best if Sandra and Kevin left at the same time. That's possible, but the different contract terms means Shonda has to hedge her bets. I was thinking about that certainly. I had read, though now I can't recall where, that Kevin had a three year contract initially which, depending on the recurring character to regular cast status, would put that ending after S.7 or after S.8. (Oh Leanne - can you answer that one for us?) I looked at imdb the other day and realized what a hard working actor Kevin is in terms of having multiple projects going all the time. Sandra seems to pick maybe, just maybe one project to do during hiatus. Not sure if that means anything other than I was trying to satisfy my own curiosity. Oh and you're right about Ms. Oh. She's not going to say anything about Grey's or her contract. She might give her usual two interviews pre-season premiere but that will be it.
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Post by broken123 on May 20, 2011 12:10:37 GMT -5
I think she is also leaving her options open for other reasons. Sandra is one of the originals - her contract is up at the end of Season 8. I believe, from what I've read, that Kevin's contract has one year to go on beyond that. She may want to keep the option open of breaking them up if Sandra leaves at the end of Season 8 but Kevin stays for another year. That, IMO, is the real world, practical reason that we won't be getting any assurances from Shonda about the permanence or inevitable reunion of our couple. Since Sandra so rarely gives interviews and doesn't talk about Grey's on the rare occasions when she does, it isn't possible for us to know what her plans are. From a dramatic perspective (and also in the interest of the mental health of all of us here) it would obviously be best if Sandra and Kevin left at the same time. That's possible, but the different contract terms means Shonda has to hedge her bets. I'm new here, been reading for a while, but not posting so much. I just wanted to know does anyone know when Sandra's and Kevin's contracts are over? It would be nice to know if anything is set in concrete yet. I think Sandra's there only till season 8 and I think from a few interviews back in season 5 Kevin said he had a contract for 3 more years as well so that makes his contract also finish at season 8. Whether things have changed or will change I have no idea.
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Post by hopew on May 20, 2011 12:41:34 GMT -5
I think she is also leaving her options open for other reasons. Sandra is one of the originals - her contract is up at the end of Season 8. I believe, from what I've read, that Kevin's contract has one year to go on beyond that. She may want to keep the option open of breaking them up if Sandra leaves at the end of Season 8 but Kevin stays for another year. That, IMO, is the real world, practical reason that we won't be getting any assurances from Shonda about the permanence or inevitable reunion of our couple. Since Sandra so rarely gives interviews and doesn't talk about Grey's on the rare occasions when she does, it isn't possible for us to know what her plans are. From a dramatic perspective (and also in the interest of the mental health of all of us here) it would obviously be best if Sandra and Kevin left at the same time. That's possible, but the different contract terms means Shonda has to hedge her bets. I'm new here, been reading for a while, but not posting so much. I just wanted to know does anyone know when Sandra's and Kevin's contracts are over? It would be nice to know if anything is set in concrete yet. I think Sandra's there only till season 8 and I think from a few interviews back in season 5 Kevin said he had a contract for 3 more years as well so that makes his contract also finish at season 8. Whether things have changed or will change I have no idea. Welcome to posting! I had also always assumed that since Kevin started in Season 5 and said at the time that he had a 3 year contract that his contract would coincide with Sandra and would end at the end of Season 8. But I'm pretty sure Kevin gave an interview recently (certainly this season, probably within the last few months) in which he responded to a question about how long he thought the show would go on by saying that he was contracted through Season 9, which might mean his contract as a regular began at the beginning of Season 6. I probably saw that interview here at kmk online, but I'm not sure. If Leann doesn't just chime in with the answer (as she often does!) I'll see if I can find the interview and confirm my recollection. Also - ella - I don't think that activities outside Grey's are necessarily a good predictor of the actor's intentions. Dempsey has said he wants to leave to do other things, and in fact keeps doing other things during hiatus. Pompeo doesn't seem to take other jobs, but when she talks in interviews about wanting to leave she sounds very sincere - I really think she wants to be with her family more. Kevin seems to have an incredible energy level - - the man works all the time and has other projects going on as well. And Sandra is a sphinx, except she doesn't even talk in riddles. She just doesn't talk at all, at least about Grey's! So who knows? But my nightmare scenario is that the dramatic truth of the C/O love story gets sacrificed on the altar of terminating contracts - - kind of the way that the Alex/Izzie love story was sacrificed (although I never believed in that one anyway). I'm just saying that this is network tv, not legitimate theater. Decisions get made for reasons other then character and story integrity. Which may or may not be a good thing in this case.
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Post by trinity on May 20, 2011 13:02:24 GMT -5
I didn't see Sandra Oh's name among the actors Shonda mentioned in her interview about ending the contract after the end of season 8, just Ellen Pompeo, Patrck Dempsey, Chandra Wilson, Justin Chamber and James T. Pickens, but not Sandra. Seems kinda weird...
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Post by Leanne on May 20, 2011 13:10:41 GMT -5
chiming in ;D Kevin ~ "I'm in the middle of my third year on the show and my contract is five years, so that's all I know," McKidd offers. takes him up to season 9 I dont know the others contract details I read only that EP and PD are contacted until year 8 no idea about Sandra Oh
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Post by broken123 on May 20, 2011 13:28:50 GMT -5
chiming in ;D Kevin ~ "I'm in the middle of my third year on the show and my contract is five years, so that's all I know," McKidd offers. takes him up to season 9 I dont know the others contract details I read only that EP and PD are contacted until year 8 no idea about Sandra Oh Thank you
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Post by hopew on May 20, 2011 14:22:15 GMT -5
chiming in ;D Kevin ~ "I'm in the middle of my third year on the show and my contract is five years, so that's all I know," McKidd offers. takes him up to season 9 I dont know the others contract details I read only that EP and PD are contacted until year 8 no idea about Sandra Oh Thanks, Leann - I knew you'd come through! I'm pretty sure that Sandra's contract ends at the end of Season 8. I think that was true of all the original regulars. So it is likely that we have this one year possible problem, with Cristina perhaps leaving at the end of Season 8 and Owen staying for one more year. But Sandra could stay for an extra year (as gifted as she is, this IS the best paying job she's likely to get and she'd have a lot of leverage in a contract negotiation for an extension). Or Kevin could leave (at his request or because Shonda decides to write them off together) at the end of Season 8. Or Cristina could go off to do her fellowship and they could have a commuter marriage, with Sandra making occasional appearances during Season 9. Or falling ratings and/or Dempsey/Pompeo departures could kill the show at the end of Season 8 anyway. It's really too early to worry about it, but it would be hard to watch Owen without Cristina, probably paired randomly with a guest star or two as they've done with Alex after the departure of his "soul mate" Izzie. Not today's issue, though.
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Post by ella1967 on May 20, 2011 14:49:51 GMT -5
Well, fair enough and thank you Leanne, and Kevin certainly, for providing us the answer to his contract question.
I still feel the passion both Kevin and Sandra bring to their characters and have so enjoyed getting drawn into their characterizations. It's too hard to play the mental game of chess that would be involved in what happens if EP and PD leave - would SO stay alongside KMK and then Cristina and Owen would become a more centrally focused pairing? I don't know.
One thing I do know is that Shonda loves to get tongues wagging and she loves to do that around her favorite causes. And a part of me wonders if she talks about Owen and Cristina not being broken up then the whole will/won't she have an abortion, or talk on the topic at all, dies down given Owen's stated 'huge life' he imagines for them and the assumption being that if they aren't broken up then it'll be Cristina who will indeed grow up more than she planned to and come around.
The answer, of course, is I don't know. And none of us will until a couple of episodes into S.8 since there's only so long before the time crunch of a pregnancy would force the issue. So, in the meantime I'll hang out here and chat with y'all this summer.
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Post by broken123 on May 20, 2011 15:21:32 GMT -5
So it is likely that we have this one year possible problem, with Cristina perhaps leaving at the end of Season 8 and Owen staying for one more year. But Sandra could stay for an extra year (as gifted as she is, this IS the best paying job she's likely to get and she'd have a lot of leverage in a contract negotiation for an extension). Or Kevin could leave (at his request or because Shonda decides to write them off together) at the end of Season 8. Or Cristina could go off to do her fellowship and they could have a commuter marriage, with Sandra making occasional appearances during Season 9. Or falling ratings and/or Dempsey/Pompeo departures could kill the show at the end of Season 8 anyway. It's really too early to worry about it, but it would be hard to watch Owen without Cristina, probably paired randomly with a guest star or two as they've done with Alex after the departure of his "soul mate" Izzie. Not today's issue, though. It would suck to see Cristina/Owen without each other, but technically I don't think I would be seeing it because I won't stick around for that. Infact, I don't know whether I want to watch next season cause Shonda and Co. pulled this storyline out of her arse. I wonder why trained professionals with a medical degree are failing so miserably with contraceptives. I've been on-off since season 6, but if Cristina goes through with the actual abortion, I'm through with it for real. My better half had a miscarriage recently and it's taking a huge toll on both of us emotionally. Plus it pains me to watch someone in a perfectly loving and committed relationship automatically resort to deciding to have an abortion. I know the storyline is not so much to do about pro-life/pro-choice but about making decisions as a married couple, but abortion is a really big deal. As a trained medical professional, I've seen a few abortions during my time in OB/GYN, and I actually had nightmares about it for along while after (So glad I never have to work in that specialty again), so I can only imagine what its like for the woman getting the procedure done. I also know patients who have regretted going through with it after seeing the foetus. If anything, I think what you mentioned will be the main reason for the end of the show in the near future. With the number of viewers falling by the millions in recent seasons due to sloppy writing, paired up with the fact that Mer/Der won't be returning and probably some of the regulars as well such as Cristina, the show could be cancelled after next season. I know many people don't watch for Mer/Der, but many people watch just for the regulars. If I were Shonda and Co. I'd end it by season 8 on a high note, because everyone knows the show is getting flushed down the toilet with all the contrived, recycled drama. But her arrogance says otherwise.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on May 20, 2011 16:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not sure if I'll be on board if she goes through with it either. It kind of undermines all the growth Cristina has made and the character has bascially become what she was in Season 2 again which is kind of a bummer. I'd really like to see her face this instead of avoiding, it may be her choice, but she is in a different position than she was the first time around. And if she can't see what a great relationship she has, then OC was just no point in my eyes.
I just feel like Cristina has come so far, and for her to be remembered as the one that had an abortion is just a diservice to the great work Sandra Oh has done. So I hope they make this a positive turn instead of one filled with drama and angst because I am kind of sick of it.
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Post by ella1967 on May 20, 2011 22:15:12 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not sure if I'll be on board if she goes through with it either. It kind of undermines all the growth Cristina has made and the character has bascially become what she was in Season 2 again which is kind of a bummer. I'd really like to see her face this instead of avoiding, it may be her choice, but she is in a different position than she was the first time around. And if she can't see what a great relationship she has, then OC was just no point in my eyes. I just feel like Cristina has come so far, and for her to be remembered as the one that had an abortion is just a diservice to the great work Sandra Oh has done. So I hope they make this a positive turn instead of one filled with drama and angst because I am kind of sick of it. Two things - besides I'm totally with you on how I'm sick of the angst even though Sandra and Kevin deliver it so beautifully. I really think the abortion will be, strange as it is to write this, the nonstarter piece of the storyline. And by that I mean she won't go through with it and we'll know that within the first couple of episodes. I mean, we can talk about how brave it is or how controversial or how it can restart Grey's in its middle-aged torpor, or argue women's right to choose or when does life begin. (And that summer-long debate is part of SR's intentions, btw.) But what's more the heart of this is the way Cristina cut off communication and could not see beyond her own vision of herself and the future. And therein lies the harder journey ahead. She and Owen will rally around her pregnancy but rebuilding their intimacy and trust will be the harder journey. They'll experience the alternate joys and terrors of facing this pregnancy and also the difficult walk back to each other. And it will build their relationship, make it stronger, IMO. I think we saw Cristina Yang very afraid but taking both baby steps forward (pun intended) as a display of the glimmers of growth we've seen from her since meeting and falling in love with Owen and a few giant leaps backward out of fear of whether she can stand up to that huge future Owen envisions. I still say it's all about a season of change resulting in one too many attempts at redefinition of self until Cristina's head exploded. This isn't about the quick decline of Cristina Yang into Ellis Grey or Margaret Campbell territory. Those characters covered that territory already and we've seen Cristina learning great lessons from their wisdom and their mistakes. Now she has to learn some harder lessons from her own mistakes. And that's the second thing. This whole episode was about how the remaining three original interns fell into old traps in attempts to move forward without thinking through their actions and found themselves faced with having to deal with repercussions to their relationships they never saw coming or intended. And that's where the growth comes in, I suppose. They now know how much they've lost and how much they want to regain it. So, from all so far published reports, S.8 is the season of rebuilding. And therein lies the hope.
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