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Post by kaz on Apr 12, 2009 6:24:29 GMT -5
I agree with Rural that I don't think they're going to be apart for too long.
The "breakup" came as a result of what I saw as Cristina's panic attack. She had a total freakout lying in the bed and just decided that she couldn't do it. She's been saying all season that she knows her limits and I think in that moment, she realised that she might have reached it, as much as it pained her to say it. It was a split second decision and one that propelled Owen forward, to seek help, for her.
I think in the cold light of day, they might both realise that they can't be apart - that they still have to take that step back physically so as not to put Cristina in any danger but that they need each other.
Kevin and Shonda have both said in interviews that Owen and Cristina will struggle through this together, though it will be hard, and also that they will work on their intense relationship. There are only 4 episodes left (counting the season finale as just 1 episode since it's a 2 hour special) so I really don't see how they could be apart for very long.
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Post by snowbound on Apr 12, 2009 9:45:22 GMT -5
It makes a little bit more sense now that I think of the separation in terms of Cristina's panic attack. (Didnt the writers blog call it that?) She sort of over reacted and I think that in the light of day, once she knows Owen's had the MRI and is in treatment, she will realize it. I too, dont think they will be apart until next season, especially with the "something big that's both good and bad" that Kevin interviewed about. That has got to be something they deal with together at some level.
By the way, I dont see spoiler tags in the icons above. Should we use the "spoiler alert" thread to discuss all spoiler based speculation for Grey's? I've been careful not to spoil anyone here and only use language that's been in the mainstream media. Hope that's Ok.
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Post by cl3me on Apr 12, 2009 10:00:47 GMT -5
I think the point is that the relationship is in a position where it can't move forward. Call it a step back, breakup or whatever, this barely started yet intense relationship is stuck and can't move forward.
Owen has been going hot'n cold as he struggles with his PTSD, and getting very frustrated at not being able to be the man he wants to be for Christina. Like the date scene when he shows up drunk and tells her that she deserves better and that he will make it up to her. He's been trying, but now his PTSD is worsening because he hasn't been seeking treatment. Healing needs to be his focus for now. No denying it anymore. The best way for Owen to make it up to Christina isn't to have a makeup first date or make love some more - the best way he can make it up to her is to work on healing and learning to cope with PTSD. That is the only way the relationship can have a solid future.
Christina has been very patient, brave, and supportive, but love alone will not heal Owen. Now with the choking, Christina has her own trauma to heal from. I think her tears are just as much about the reality of the choking catching up with her (kind of a delayed reaction brought on by the panic in the on call room) as her decision to "breakup".
At the same time though her belief in him has been a lifeline for Owen. I hope that they can find a way to support one another. I think the next episode or two, they may avoid one another - Christina being supportive of Izzie, Owen undergoing therapy. I think they will both miss their friendship too much though to stay completely apart.
It's just not their time - at least not yet.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Apr 12, 2009 11:10:25 GMT -5
I have said before that I think Owen has been going through the five stages of grief in terms of his PSTD.
Denial ("I came home in one piece", "Look in the mirror (to Derek)" Anger ("I don't need you to feel sorry, I don't need you") Bargaining (Shower episode "You deserve better I'll make it up to you") Depression (yelling at cristina all day, vulture moment) Acceptance--This is where I think we will be going with therapy,I hope so anyway.
I don't think Cristina's reaction was overreacting, she had a very real emotion there. she's been trying so hard to be the strong one for Owen this whole time, convincing herself she can handle it, but when she panics laying in bed next to him, it makes her realize that she isn't ready. Don't know what you mean by spoiler tags, we only use them in our reviews until the episode airs on the west coast in the U.S. we have the spoiler thread for actual spoiler information and discussion, hope that helps.
I started thinking about what Kristin said about the theme of O/C for a while will be in 5X18. I am not so sure it'll be "friends with out benefits" I think what we will see is Owen and Cristina leading separate lives for a while like in that episode they didn't have any scenes together, except for the short scene in the beginning when Mark and Owen were explaining the surgical procedure.
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Post by snowbound on Apr 12, 2009 13:14:52 GMT -5
When I said that Cristina overreacted I did not mean it as to her feeling panic striken. I make no judgement about that at all. It's logical that she would feel extremely anxious about falling asleep with Owen.
I meant that she then felt that the relationship was overwhelming due to his illness/choking and that therefore they had to break up. Why not just accept that you cant sleep together, and he must also seek treatment, in order to feel comfortable continuing to see one another. In a calmer moment, I think she'd make the choice to be there for him , to help him in his PTSD recovery, as his girlfriend/love of his life. That reaction makes more sense to me and that's why I think Cristina overreacted.
She made a decision while smack in the middle of a panic attack and it was colored by her panic.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Apr 12, 2009 20:10:09 GMT -5
Well I'm more looking at it from the perspective of how Cristina has evolved from the robot she was the first couple seasons of Greys, to how she is now with Owen. I think Old Christina wouldn't have told him about her dad, or let him kiss her in that alley. In that respect, I think Cristina was looking at the big picture. She understands his issues, but when it comes to safety, it is a whole different ball game. I think she's more giving Owen an opportunity to heal himself, than she is running away which we know she is not. I dont think it was a quick decision that she made, I think it has been in the back of her mind a while, but because she was all he had she had to be the strong one for him, but now that the tables have turned, he has to figure out how to be strong for himself before they can experience true happiness.
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Post by Leanne on Apr 13, 2009 16:52:30 GMT -5
By the way, I dont see spoiler tags in the icons above. the button under add tags of a face with wide eyes thats the spoiler tag button ~ highlight what you want to hide and click button does it all for you Use the spoiler tag if you are chatting about spoilers thanks ;)L
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Post by Geeze on Apr 19, 2009 20:28:30 GMT -5
Since I appear to be in Yang-Hunt withdrawal, I tend to rerum The Love Dance as a nice little part of my day and to tide me over until Thursday. And now that I am familiar with it, I find that I love certain parts of it to pieces. For her, it's when they first get horizontal and his face comes down close to hers and they kiss. The way she turns her head to the right and he follows her lead. The flow, the lines...........(just flaps hands at it). For him, it is still when he breaks the kiss and hovers above her and their faces are close and he puts that hand down as someone said to get better "leverage" and moves forward ever so slightly
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Post by calirosesfly on Apr 19, 2009 22:50:47 GMT -5
"For him, it is still when he breaks the kiss and hovers above her and their faces are close and he puts that hand down as someone said to get better "leverage" and does forward ever so slightly [image]" Geeze I'm with you on this part here...I'm happy that their love scene did not come about as tawdry, there are people who compare the beauty of this scene with Mer/Der making love at the end of season 2 and I cannot personally see how they can compare...Owen and Cristina's love for each other just bounced of the walls, it wasn't fast or something coming out of jealousy as with Mer/Der (Der with Addy and Mer with Finn, you know?)....Anyway, I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one seeing this scene on a daily basis...couple of days more before our show returns...Hooooorrah!
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