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Post by kaz on Jun 3, 2010 1:20:14 GMT -5
On one hand, as someone who had a pretty non-wedding wedding, I get where she's coming from in terms of not wanting the big poufy dress to be the point. And I also totally get that the romance of lifelong commitment can come whether one has a license and a ring or not. I agree 100% with what you say and I, personally, don't really care either way whether Meredith and Derek are legally married or via post-it. I just think the way Shonda addresses the issue, however, devalues the opinions of many fans out there. Not everyone wants a wedding for Meredith, just because they love weddings and for the sake of having a frilly, tulle-filled, fairytale occasion. Many fans are accepting of the fact that Meredith is dark and twisty and not the traditional wedding kind of gal. But I don't think dark/twisty and marriage are mutually exclusive; you don't have to be like Izzie to want to get married. It just seems like Shonda is saying that they are and you do, respectively. At the end of the day, all Shonda has explained is why Meredith will never have a formal wedding. But it still doesn't clarify why she couldn't have a legal marriage nonetheless.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jun 3, 2010 9:42:35 GMT -5
I agree with Kaz it is kind of a devalue of fans desires for the characters, I am not a mer/der person but I can see where the fans are coming from and why they feel jipped especially since Alex and Izzie didn't work out in the end.
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Post by ella1967 on Jun 3, 2010 14:49:27 GMT -5
Yes - and ditto to you both, as I said in my previous post in this thread. I'm trying to get enough distance from the SF to be able to turn my jaundiced fan thoughts back to what comes next. It's interesting that SR talks about the great strides Meredith has taken to be a whole person to get to the point where she wants babies. But yet it seems that when those babies ask to see pictures of mom and dad's wedding they'll be shown a framed post-it note. No wonder PD has said he thinks the show should bow out after S.8.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jun 3, 2010 16:10:37 GMT -5
It just seems like the writers don't really care about what fans want which is one reason why so many have given up on this show, they seem to forget they would be nothing without people like us tuning in.
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Post by loozy on Jun 9, 2010 0:16:34 GMT -5
Having just read the potential spoilers for s7 over in the thread, I am now afraid of a second triangle, this time it being Cristina- Owen- Jackson...
Should this become true, I am gone, finished with GA...
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Post by kaz on Jun 9, 2010 0:46:47 GMT -5
loozy, I don't think there's been any real suggestion of a triangle just yet (Cristina was mentioned in connection with Jackson in one of those articles but I think it was just the writer waxing lyrical) so I am holding out hope that Shonda & Co. don't go there with this. I think it would be incredibly stupid, on the back of an entire season of T/O/C triangle but who knows.
It would certainly be difficult to keep watching through all of it. We can only hope that if it does happen, Kevin will get some good material to work with. That's my one saving grace.
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Post by loozy on Jun 9, 2010 7:42:13 GMT -5
It is just that in one interview, SR was asked if THAT triangle was finished, and she said that yes, THAT triangle was over and done with... Makes me afraid that she now thinks of a new triangle... After the last season, I am kind of afraid of what might happen... But yes, maybe KMK could then rise to the occasion, just like SO did last season
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Post by iriswoo on Jun 9, 2010 8:11:49 GMT -5
Saw the new spoiler, so there is a possible start between Jackson and Cristina, hum, I am gonna enjoy it!
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Post by ella1967 on Jun 9, 2010 8:17:06 GMT -5
It is just that in one interview, SR was asked if THAT triangle was finished, and she said that yes, THAT triangle was over and done with... Makes me afraid that she now thinks of a new triangle... After the last season, I am kind of afraid of what might happen... But yes, maybe KMK could then rise to the occasion, just like SO did last season At the same time as my bruised shipper heart read that Q&A and thought, 'oh no, here we go again' I was reminded of all the times they could have broken up Cris and Owen in S.6 and instead, they came back to each other every time. And that all SR was doing was using the same language as the interviewer. (And even if there is a triangle there's no saying it would have anything to do with Owen or Cristina. My money would be on Alex, Lexie, and Mark - with a side helping of Izzie's memory and maybe even a little of the Tedster...) By the end of the season we got Owen and Cristina laying claim to their relationship, both of them having faced before and after aspects in their lives and finding that the present was much more compelling to both of them. Since they didn't kill off April and Avery it seemed inevitable they would become the missing Izzie and George pieces of the resident puzzle. And since there's no information about S.7 other than which characters will return, any media attention over the summer will be about drumming up interest in S.7, hence the writers' speculation.
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Post by hopew on Jun 9, 2010 8:52:50 GMT -5
It is just that in one interview, SR was asked if THAT triangle was finished, and she said that yes, THAT triangle was over and done with... Makes me afraid that she now thinks of a new triangle... After the last season, I am kind of afraid of what might happen... But yes, maybe KMK could then rise to the occasion, just like SO did last season At the same time as my bruised shipper heart read that Q&A and thought, 'oh no, here we go again' I was reminded of all the times they could have broken up Cris and Owen in S.6 and instead, they came back to each other every time. And that all SR was doing was using the same language as the interviewer. (And even if there is a triangle there's no saying it would have anything to do with Owen or Cristina. My money would be on Alex, Lexie, and Mark - with a side helping of Izzie's memory and maybe even a little of the Tedster...) By the end of the season we got Owen and Cristina laying claim to their relationship, both of them having faced before and after aspects in their lives and finding that the present was much more compelling to both of them. Since they didn't kill off April and Avery it seemed inevitable they would become the missing Izzie and George pieces of the resident puzzle. And since there's no information about S.7 other than which characters will return, any media attention over the summer will be about drumming up interest in S.7, hence the writers' speculation. I agree with ella that I wouldn't read anything into Shonda saying to Ausiello that "that" triangle is over in reference to C/O/T. Ausiello said "so that triangle is over?" and she answered using his word choice. Shonda doesn't admit mistakes, but she usually doesn't repeat them. She's been defensive about the Teddy character and the triangle, but she's not, in Cristina's words "oblivious" - - she knows that using a triangle device with Cristina and Owen was an epic fail with the fans, hurt the introduction of Teddy (a character for whom I expect she had very high hopes) and damaged the perception of Owen's character as well. I truly don't believe she'll use that device with Cristina and Owen again. And, in any event, what about the last interactions between Cristina and Jackson seemed romantic? As I've posted elsewhere, in the OR scene, Jackson saw Owen declare his love for Cristina and take a bullet for her; he also heard Cristina's reaction when she heard Owen's voice in the OR, heard her scream when Owen was shot, heard her say to Mer "I'm saving your guy, now you go and save mine." Jackson's no fool - - Owen is his superior at the hospital (and, btw, I think that having Jackson go into trauma surgery, since he really can't compete with Cristina in cardio, would be an interesting choice for him). And Cristina has consistently treated Jackson as an annoyance. I think in Season 7 she may treat him more as an annoying younger brother, but I do not think we are being set up for a romance here. Cristina is the only major female Grey's character who had not been written as jumping from bed-to-bed and from love-to-love. It's a big part of what distinguishes her - - although we've been told she needs to work on her emotional maturity, she is actually the only female character (except for the new and improved Meredith of seasons 5 and 6) who has been capable of participating in a sustained relationship. Cristina has had only two relationships since the show began, both very serious. She "mates for life." Pushing to have her participate in a typical random Grey's coupling because Jackson is now a regular character and the actor who plays him is pretty . . . I just don't get it. I hope Shonda & Co don't get it either!
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Post by kaz on Jun 9, 2010 9:16:01 GMT -5
Saw the new spoiler, so there is a possible start between Jackson and Cristina, hum, I am gonna enjoy it! No, iris it's not a spoiler, it's purely speculative on the writer's part based on the fact that jesse is joining the cast.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jun 9, 2010 9:16:40 GMT -5
I believe that the people pushing the Cristina/Jackson idea have been turned off Owen because of the triangle with Teddy. A lot of them used to be O/C shippers I think. This is how badly Owen's character has come out in the triangle, even though he took a bullet for Cristina, the triangle has totally drained some former O/C shippers. Can't say I blame some of them. But I don't see Jackson being a threat, he'll probably just be her work husband. Since Jackson wasn't forced on us the way Teddy was, I think he is way more likeable and I like him as an actor.
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Post by hopew on Jun 9, 2010 9:57:18 GMT -5
I believe that the people pushing the Cristina/Jackson idea have been turned off Owen because of the triangle with Tedious. A lot of them used to be O/C shippers I think. This is how badly Owen's character has come out in the triangle, even though he took a bullet for Cristina, the triangle has totally drained some former O/C shippers. Can't say I blame some of them. But I don't see Jackson being a threat, he'll probably just be her work husband. Since Jackson wasn't forced on us the way Tedious was, I think he is way more likeable and I like him as an actor. I agree with everything you've said. And I don't mind Jesse Williams being made a regular - - he and his character kind of grew on me over the season. Shonda should take some notes here - - the way to introduce a character is to let the viewers get to know him or her over time, not to say over and over in interviews, podcasts and writers blogs "You are going to love, love, love [fill in character name]!!!"
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Post by iriswoo on Jun 9, 2010 10:00:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if the writers go there, because Jackson is really lovable.
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Post by iriswoo on Jun 9, 2010 10:04:37 GMT -5
At the same time as my bruised shipper heart read that Q&A and thought, 'oh no, here we go again' I was reminded of all the times they could have broken up Cris and Owen in S.6 and instead, they came back to each other every time. And that all SR was doing was using the same language as the interviewer. (And even if there is a triangle there's no saying it would have anything to do with Owen or Cristina. My money would be on Alex, Lexie, and Mark - with a side helping of Izzie's memory and maybe even a little of the Tedster...) By the end of the season we got Owen and Cristina laying claim to their relationship, both of them having faced before and after aspects in their lives and finding that the present was much more compelling to both of them. Since they didn't kill off April and Avery it seemed inevitable they would become the missing Izzie and George pieces of the resident puzzle. And since there's no information about S.7 other than which characters will return, any media attention over the summer will be about drumming up interest in S.7, hence the writers' speculation. I agree with ella that I wouldn't read anything into Shonda saying to Ausiello that "that" triangle is over in reference to C/O/T. Ausiello said "so that triangle is over?" and she answered using his word choice. Shonda doesn't admit mistakes, but she usually doesn't repeat them. She's been defensive about the Tedious character and the triangle, but she's not, in Cristina's words "oblivious" - - she knows that using a triangle device with Cristina and Owen was an epic fail with the fans, hurt the introduction of Tedious (a character for whom I expect she had very high hopes) and damaged the perception of Owen's character as well. I truly don't believe she'll use that device with Cristina and Owen again. And, in any event, what about the last interactions between Cristina and Jackson seemed romantic? As I've posted elsewhere, in the OR scene, Jackson saw Owen declare his love for Cristina and take a bullet for her; he also heard Cristina's reaction when she heard Owen's voice in the OR, heard her scream when Owen was shot, heard her say to Mer "I'm saving your guy, now you go and save mine." Jackson's no fool - - Owen is his superior at the hospital (and, btw, I think that having Jackson go into trauma surgery, since he really can't compete with Cristina in cardio, would be an interesting choice for him). And Cristina has consistently treated Jackson as an annoyance. I think in Season 7 she may treat him more as an annoying younger brother, but I do not think we are being set up for a romance here. Cristina is the only major female Grey's character who had not been written as jumping from bed-to-bed and from love-to-love. It's a big part of what distinguishes her - - although we've been told she needs to work on her emotional maturity, she is actually the only female character (except for the new and improved Meredith of seasons 5 and 6) who has been capable of participating in a sustained relationship. Cristina has had only two relationships since the show began, both very serious. She "mates for life." Pushing to have her participate in a typical random Grey's coupling because Jackson is now a regular character and the actor who plays him is pretty . . . I just don't get it. I hope Shonda & Co don't get it either! . it is going to be really fun to watch a badass, smart guy like Jackson who is in the same professional level with Cristina, who is not trying to educated her, who doesn't have PTSD and complicated history with another woman to be with Cristina, that is going to be really fresh. modified : see email
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Post by kaz on Jun 9, 2010 17:14:33 GMT -5
Hi guys, just a reminder not to point fingers at different fanbase groups and to refrain from name calling of different characters on Grey's Anatomy...as Kevin/Owen is a common denominator between the various fanbases and we have representatives from all camps on this board...
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Post by kaz on Jun 9, 2010 20:45:01 GMT -5
Re the spoiler that Sarah Drew is joining the cast full time in season 7, I will be interested to see how they develop her as a character because they didn't give us much in season 6. She was a bit of a vulnerable, unstable thing. I don't think I ever saw her do a surgery. Another season of that is going to wear us down, quite quickly, I would have thought. Here's hoping they develop her skills as a surgeon and human being!
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Post by sdevil on Jun 10, 2010 12:23:52 GMT -5
I think if the writers do a good job with the storyline, then there's definitely potential. Sarah Drew is a good actress, but she was introduced in a very cheap way, having a crush on Derek (though it was fun to watch sometimes ), agree with kaz, she needs a storyline-developing.
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Post by Leanne on Jun 10, 2010 12:30:44 GMT -5
I actually only really sat up and noticed her in the SF I though her hysterics was brilliant
Im happy that both the actors for Jackson and April have been included I look forward to seeing what develops with there characters
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Post by kaz on Jun 10, 2010 19:02:24 GMT -5
I actually only really sat up and noticed her in the SF I though her hysterics was brilliant Im happy that both the actors for Jackson and April have been included I look forward to seeing what develops with there characters I think she's a great actor but I agree, that I only really sat up and noticed April as a CHARACTER in the season finale. I'm still not convinced she's a surgeon because so far all we've seen is her making mistakes, being fumbly / nervous / unsure of herself and just being the Chief's lackey. If they're going to integrate her into the team, they have to actually show her as a surgeon who knows her stuff, like the rest of them.
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