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Post by hopew on Jul 28, 2010 8:03:39 GMT -5
This came out on PrP last season. Unfortunately, for people like me who dont watch PrP, this just isnt really going to make sense in GA. Derek had the chance to tell Meredith this stuff in season 5 but didnt. Seems inconsistent to suddenly raise it. Not at all meaning to sound snarky here, since ITA with the point you are making, but it will hardly be the first inconsistency on GA. As much as Shonda talks about there is "always a plan" I think a lot of stuff just gets made up as she goes along. In a recent Jessica Capshaw interview (relevant here because she was talking about Season 7 a bit), she mentioned that in her early scenes with Alex, both she and Justin Chambers assumed that the two of them were going to be paired up at some point. Arizona being a life-long lesbian is a key part of her story now, but it seems that her sexual orientation either wasn't part of the original plan OR that no one had bothered to tell the actress when she was cast. I'm pretty sure that Patrick Dempsey once said in an interview that Shonda didn't tell him that his character had a wife back in New York at the start of the series, and that he would have played Derek differently if he had known. So yes, the new trusting/loving relationship between Meredith and Derek doesn't quite seem consistent with his failure to tell her that his father was shot in front of him and his sister. Hopefully, that revelation along with trying to get pregnant will make Mer/Der the resident angst couple for Season 7, and give Cristina and Owen a little break!
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jul 28, 2010 18:25:12 GMT -5
I'm tired of the cross overs. At this point in the game they aren't needed anymore now that PrP is established. The cross overs take away from real developments with core characters, and if this is happening in the third episode, its just going to be an unneeded distraction. It'd make more sense to have Tyne Daly come back than Derek's sister. Just my two cents.
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Post by kaz on Jul 28, 2010 19:03:16 GMT -5
hopew, I TOTALLY agree with you that it wouldn't be the first time that GA has been inconsistent. Doesn't mean we have to like/accept it LOL!
I'm tired of the crossovers as well. While it's possible to watch the crossover on GA but not on PrP, I do think Shonda assumes that most viewers watch both shows and will therefore get to view the crossover arc the way she intended it (as a whole). Unfortunately, that's just not true, and for a lot of us we have to watch 2 or 3 episodes of GA being invaded by characters who we vaguely know but have no real investment in.
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Post by hopew on Jul 28, 2010 20:09:32 GMT -5
hopew, I TOTALLY agree with you that it wouldn't be the first time that GA has been inconsistent. Doesn't mean we have to like/accept it LOL! I'm tired of the crossovers as well. While it's possible to watch the crossover on GA but not on PrP, I do think Shonda assumes that most viewers watch both shows and will therefore get to view the crossover arc the way she intended it (as a whole). Unfortunately, that's just not true, and for a lot of us we have to watch 2 or 3 episodes of GA being invaded by characters who we vaguely know but have no real investment in. And I totally agree with you - I'm also tired of the crossovers! If it's time to bring in Derek's family (a logical development as he is recovering from a serious gunshot wound), I'd also much rather seen Tyne Daly back. Mother Shepard is a retired nurse, isn't she?
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jul 28, 2010 21:27:10 GMT -5
Yah Ma Hunt and Ma Shepard should be guest starring in the season premiere to take care of their boys. But no that'd be too easy a story for GA.
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Post by Leanne on Jul 29, 2010 1:34:23 GMT -5
firstly hi blackorchid and welcome to the forum secondly I for one have never watched Private Practice so I do find the cross overs a bit confusing because I have no character development for these characters...even Kate Walsh is lost on me because I haven't watched the first few series of Grey's. Grey's and PP are shown here as separate shows when the Grey's Season finishes the PP starts so that also adds to the confusion when you don't see the cross over episodes together like intended in the US
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Jul 29, 2010 4:26:16 GMT -5
That's what I mean. They are kind of pointless now. In the beginning it was fine because PRP was a new show and needed GA's audience to get noticed at first. Now its just a drag and brings down the GA storyline. Neither seems to benefit from it and most just find it confusing if you don't watch PrP like you do Leanne.
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Post by hopew on Jul 30, 2010 16:04:15 GMT -5
Well, the Season 7 spoiler season is underway, but I wonder how much Cristina and Owen info we'll get. They aren't mentioned in the Shonda interview that was just posted at the tvguide site (and in the spoiler thread here), but that may be a good thing. From the sound of this interview and the Jessica Capshaw interview at fancast.com, it looks as though Callie and Arizona may be the angst couple for this season. That would be classic Shonda - - they have become a hugely popular couple (as Cristina and Owen were at the beginning of Season 6), and I think Shonda particularly likes to mess with the most popular pairings. The fact that she left Callie and Arizona in a good place at the end of Season 6 doesn't mean very much, IMO. Remember Cristina's "yes" in the Season 5 finale?
I suppose from a ratings perspective she's not wrong - - throwing a lot of "stuff" at a popular couple does keep a substantial fan base engaged. The difficulties she put Owen and Cristina through last year kept a lot of us watching - - complaining loudly, but watching none-the-less.
My cautious and admittedly early speculation is that if we keep getting very little Cristina and Owen news, that will be a positive indicator for them at least as of the beginning of this season. Or am I just deluding myself and over-reading the very scant tea leaves we've been given so far?
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Aug 2, 2010 12:01:13 GMT -5
Grey's Anatomy's Kim Raver Calls Time of Death on Cristina-Owen-Teddy TriangleIn the season finale of Grey's Anatomy, Teddy (Kim Raver) finally conceded that Cristina and Owen share a strong bond. No, really, she did. While some fans have worried that Teddy will continue meddling in their relationship, Raver tells TVGuide.com it ended in the Season 6 finale. "Outside of the hospital, before he goes back in, I say, 'You have to choose.' That for me was the sad, sad ending," Raver says. "I think it's going to be refreshing. I do love the Cristina and Owen relationship. The Teddy part of me is extremly sad, but I think it's an interesting place for her to go; to leave that triangle behind and see how she deals with relationships." Teddy will be moving on quickly, Raver adds, with someone "very handsome and smart." Are you glad the triangle has disbanded? www.tvguide.com/News/Greys-Anatomy-Raver-1021272.aspx Would just like to point out that KR got the line wrong, Teddy said "Its allright to choose" when she was outside the hospital with Owen. I remember KR also once said Teddy wasn't a home wrecker before the whole triangle ensued. So i'm not going to believe anything until I see it.
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Post by kaz on Aug 4, 2010 23:56:36 GMT -5
Part of me likes the idea that Derek is in bad shape at the start of season 7 (especially if Owen gets to step in and give support, since he knows firsthand what PTSD can do) but the other part of me is dreading the dramaticism we saw in season 5, with all the moving out to the woods stuff and hitting the ring with the baseball bat etc. It was overdone. I hope the writers can get dark and twisty Derek right this time.
Also, do we really think Derek is going to jail?? Whatever for?
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Post by ella1967 on Aug 5, 2010 0:06:20 GMT -5
Part of me likes the idea that Derek is in bad shape at the start of season 7 (especially if Owen gets to step in and give support, since he knows firsthand what PTSD can do) but the other part of me is dreading the dramaticism we saw in season 5, with all the moving out to the woods stuff and hitting the ring with the baseball bat etc. It was overdone. I hope the writers can get dark and twisty Derek right this time. Also, do we really think Derek is going to jail?? Whatever for? Drunk and disorderly, perhaps? As we saw in S.5, when he hits a low Derek has no trouble hitting the sauce. If things are to shift in his relationship with Meredith for real this season, I'm guessing she wouldn't be sitting next to him pouring heavy shots of tequila as she did in S.5. Besides, it will set us up for his confrontation/reconciliation with his sister who turned to drugs after their father was shot in front of them. And once Derek's feeling good and demoralized and seeking a way back up he'll be ready for a chat with Owen about how to heal from almost losing your life while trying to look out for your team, as Derek tried to do at the hospital that day. Could lead us back to their S.6 conversation in which Derek hinted about dethroning Webber and on into priming Owen to begin talking about the ambush, maybe hinting at it with Derek but it would ultimately be something Owen would be then moved to talk about with Cristina.
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Post by kaz on Aug 5, 2010 0:11:55 GMT -5
ella, I like the way you think.
I think I've said this before but, if only you could write for GA!
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Post by hopew on Aug 5, 2010 8:08:17 GMT -5
Part of me likes the idea that Derek is in bad shape at the start of season 7 (especially if Owen gets to step in and give support, since he knows firsthand what PTSD can do) but the other part of me is dreading the dramaticism we saw in season 5, with all the moving out to the woods stuff and hitting the ring with the baseball bat etc. It was overdone. I hope the writers can get dark and twisty Derek right this time. Also, do we really think Derek is going to jail?? Whatever for? Drunk and disorderly, perhaps? As we saw in S.5, when he hits a low Derek has no trouble hitting the sauce. If things are to shift in his relationship with Meredith for real this season, I'm guessing she wouldn't be sitting next to him pouring heavy shots of tequila as she did in S.5. Besides, it will set us up for his confrontation/reconciliation with his sister who turned to drugs after their father was shot in front of them. And once Derek's feeling good and demoralized and seeking a way back up he'll be ready for a chat with Owen about how to heal from almost losing your life while trying to look out for your team, as Derek tried to do at the hospital that day. Could lead us back to their S.6 conversation in which Derek hinted about dethroning Webber and on into priming Owen to begin talking about the ambush, maybe hinting at it with Derek but it would ultimately be something Owen would be then moved to talk about with Cristina. I really, really wish you were writing for the show. Having Owen help Derek through this would be a natural progression for both characters and a great way to redeem Owen's character for a lot of viewers. I was also thinking about the way this could tie into Owen's own healing process, and the point you made above dovetails perfectly with that. Owen has been told repeatedly, in his own therapy, that he has to talk about what happened to him. But he has resisted that; we know "words fail him" in lots of situations, and that contributed to a lot of the misunderstandings particularly between him and Cristina, and caused more pain than it avoided. If Owen is going to help Derek or Cristina, or both of them, he is going to have to urge them to talk about what happened to each of them during the shooting. He hasn't been able to talk about his own trauma much partly because he's not as good at helping himself as he is at helping others, and partly because he's been afraid of causing additional pain to those he cares for. But what if talking about his own trauma becomes a direct way to help others (like Cristina, like Derek)? Opening up would be a way to help alleviate the pain of others, and Owen is (as we've discussed) primarily driven by the need to help others even to the point of not doing was is good for him. But in this situation, what is helpful to others he cares for would exactly overlap with what will be good for him. I'm not sure whether this would play out through interactions with Cristina or Derek or both. But Shonda did say that the SF was intended to get the characters past the "angst." I don't think they should abandon Owen's PTSD as a part of his story line - - that would be both unrealistic and insulting to the real veterans suffering the way Owen has suffered - - but by showing real progress the writers can do the "reset" they say they want to do and still be true to the underlying story. So that's my hope, anyway. I'd like to see Owen healing himself by helping to heal others - - in particular Cristina and perhaps Derek as well!
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Post by ella1967 on Aug 5, 2010 21:09:05 GMT -5
So, have they been reading 6.5 or what? I guess it's not a huge leap that sweet Lexie would have a breakdown given her sunny disposition. She would also likely take on a lot of the blame for both Derek and Alex's injuries and Meredith's miscarriage given that she was on Clark's wife's case. If I were to write this (thanks for the vote of confidence Kaz and Hope W.) it wouldn't involve Alex and Mark taking turns pacing outside Lexie's hospital room. It would involve Meredith being torn between her husband, drunk and disorderly or dark and twisty, and bonding with her sister over the terrible events they went through - together but separately - that day. It would be about Meredith, as much as I hate to say it, realizing that family is what you make of it - biological and chosen - and really getting to know Lexie while also having some healing with Thatcher. Besides - as I hope to see Cristina and Owen taking steps forward into the next phase of their relationship I'd really rather Meredith have something better to do than murmur ideas into Cristina's ear about Owen, a man she barely knows, and then calling post-it.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Aug 5, 2010 21:11:01 GMT -5
I hope KR is only saying this because they've only done read throughs of the first couple eps:
@mattmitovich #GreysAnatomy's Kim Raver reiterates: "The triangle seems - at least in the first couple episodes - to be over."
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Post by ella1967 on Aug 5, 2010 21:16:35 GMT -5
I hope KR is only saying this because they've only done read throughs of the first couple eps: @mattmitovich #GreysAnatomy's Kim Raver reiterates: "The triangle seems - at least in the first couple episodes - to be over." It's like you read my mind! I said that exact thing to someone after they brought that tweet up and how demoralized they were by it. I think you're (we're?) on the right track, plus KR always seems to, IMO, play into the more ambiguous side of the storyline.
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Post by MarryMeOwen on Aug 5, 2010 21:25:46 GMT -5
Well considering KR also said Teddy was not a homewrecker, then we got the triangle s/l I am not sure I am going to believe anything about the triangle being over until I see it. And people wonder why I am not going to let the writers slide on S6. I wish she'd be careful in the future about what she divulges/teases in the press because it could cause her more harm than good when it comes to fandom.
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Post by kaz on Aug 5, 2010 22:48:33 GMT -5
Definitely think that KR is saying that because she only knows what's in the first couple of episodes and she obviously can't guarantee what will happen down the track if she hasn't read those scripts yet.
And for the record, I don't think KR saying Teddy wasn't a homewrecker was in anyway inconsistent with what we saw on screen or a lie on Raver's part. The term "homewrecker" connotes something very different to what we saw of Teddy Altman but we're moving forward and that's neither here nor there now. And this isn't the right thread for it, in any event.
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Post by kaz on Aug 9, 2010 18:44:15 GMT -5
Interesting new spoilers posted by Leanne.
So who do you think the couple getting married will be? I personally think Callie and Arizona.
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Post by betinad on Aug 9, 2010 19:10:40 GMT -5
Interesting new spoilers posted by Leanne. So who do you think the couple getting married will be? I personally think Callie and Arizona. I think Meredith and Derek can make it official... them not being legally married have a lot of implications, like her not being able to make medical care decisions for him .... so I think they may do it for real this time Callie and Arizona I would like that but Washington State doesn't allow same sex marriage..... so except they do another post-it wedding I don't think how they will do it ... but in Shonda's world... who knows!!! is it September yet?
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